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I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I've become pretty skeptical we know where the majority is. The question determines the outcome of the survey. The measuring stick is flawed and error bars are many times larger than the difference being measured. Frankly, the thing being measured has more dimensions than are being measured.

And it's worth remembering how the party got here. The left and labor coalition failed to beat Nixon twice, Ford's losing had little to do with the left, and it utterly fell apart against Reagan. The Democrats only started to get traction at the national level by going to the center, using the DLC playbook. I'm as angry about the abandonment of labor by the Democratic party as anyone, but the reason for it is not a mystery. By the same token if the left doesn't build the structure for a more left leaning Democratic party to operate no one should expect the party to move.

The hard thing is, I don't know what that structure looks like, but it's not enough to be "correct".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I've read it. Many times from many outlets reporting on more than one survey. The first time I found it comforting.

However it's not hard to find conflicting data. Methodology determines outcomes of these surveys, every time.

Today I'm less comforted. But ultimately, for what it's worth, I don't think we're that far apart.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

And yet they would not turn out to nominate Bernie... Talk about lazy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago

They did vote for him

So much so that the DNC threatened him into dropping out. The emails from the DNC got out and it caused the head of the DNC to resign in shame.

This is public information that you should probably have already known.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/24/debbie-wasserman-schultz-resigns-dnc-chair-emails-sanders

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/sanders-supporters-walk-off-convention-floor-blame-rigged-system-for-his-loss