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I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?
this post was submitted on 06 Feb 2025
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This push to demonize the strawman protest voters is an ongoing propaganda campaign to cause poor people to infight.
Strawman?
6.27 Million more people voted for Biden in 2020 than Harris in 2024. That's not strawmanning, those fuckers stayed home and that is exactly why we are in the current situation.
Cool. Neither party was palatable for a huge amount of people, wonder why.
If I'm offered a plate of tomatoes, which I hate, and a pile of shit as choices to eat, both are not palatable to me. But that doesn't make them the same.
I voted. But for a lot of people it was like this,
You hear about a restaurant that only serves shit and tomatoes. So you don't go. I understand that that isn't really how that works but that is how so many felt about this.
I don't wanna beat the analogy into the ground so I'll let it go. But the point is, ones of them was going to be president. You will HAVE to deal with one of them. Refusing to vote is making the statement that you're ok with the worst outcome, because of you weren't ok with it you would have taken action to prevent that worst outcome. This is the general "you", not you specifically obviously, since you voted.
I feel like a lot of people thought "I don't like either, so I won't vote" ignoring that they will be impacted either way, so it's not a matter of who you like, it's a matter of effecting the outcome to get the best result possible. Even if that isn't perfect for you.
I agree with you. A lot of apathetic voters will only vote for something that will benefit them not to prevent something that may harm them in my experience.
I voted and I'm still impacted. It was a fruitless effort.
Ok. So your take away is never do anything that might fail?
No, my point is to vote expecting it to fail.
Yes but if the person handing you the tomatoes had been handing you tomatoes your entire life while promising chocolate cake you'd be a lot less happy about it. Especially if they also said "We're not going to change anything and if you have a problem with tomatoes you need to take Econ 203 to understand why you're wrong for being upset."
Democrats need to get people enthusiastic to vote. Not getting shit on a plate is not enough to get people to vote.
Or worse, to exacerbate racial tensions, is one possibility I fear.
If you agree with them, then why did you post this?
it's generating productive discussion
also there's nothing really to "agree" with or not; it's a question only and I have been doing my best not to come down with immediate judgement toward those answering the question
Gives some serious "just asking questions" vibes.
The image definitely provides a pretty clear perspective. People seem to be reacting to either agreeing or disagreeing with that perspective. Why is the main focus on those that abstained rather than on those that voted Trump? I don't really see any productive conversations happening. Just the same people reiterating the same talking points. The data makes it clear that Gaza was not a big issue for voters, and no one is really going to change their mind on either side of that even if it WAS the deciding factor in the election. This seems like a distraction and a great way to sow division.
Yeah. I thought this sort of shit would've been cut down after those CIA layoffs trump did or whatever, or, that's what everyone's been jokingly saying, at least. Probably it's more along the lines that social media companies keep selectively propagating this shit because they're a revolving door with those three letter agencies anyways. Saw a LOT of black liberals posting with starbucks cups and mcdonald's after the election, and talking about how they want to buy beachfront property in gaza, because the michigan vote didn't come through for Kamala. Most of those people probably weren't conforming to the boycott in the first place, and more broadly didn't give a shit at all, but still, incredibly harrowing stuff, there.
Anyways yeah I agree with the other guy, if you wanted to spurn discussion, you probably would've been better off posting some shit that's not like, immediately just blaming the protest votes? Is in better faith more generally? Probably wouldn't gain as much traction exclusively because of that, as is the case with the site, but you'd at least not be contributing to that sort of bad faith discussion as much, which I think the initial post is doing.
Telling people not to vote is the propaganda campaign.
Well, no, because I've been asking myself the same question for a while now. And I don't have that agenda. Lol
It isn't a straw man, it is observation .