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That first move was fucking rough. I was so relieved until I walked into my living room full of dented cardboard boxes. Never again. I opened up a dented box of dishes I had packed meticulously and wrapped in bubble wrap. Ate off of chipped plates for a couple weeks before I had time to replace them....I couldn't fucking imagine using them when I had actually valuable shit.
I got a buncha other grunts to help me move the next time. The fucking butter bar that was watching us move my shit into the new place was all "Why didn't you just use United? Command pays for them. Waste of money. You grunts never learn." I politely asked him if he'd had them move him in. "Well uh no. We're paid better than to need that." Lol
Come to find out the crews that work the government jobs get the worst pay and are often stiffed on tips because command never tell the enlisted to fucking tip. So yeah, they'll happily fuck up your shit to get the job over ASAP and move on to a better paying civvie job. And to be honest I can't really blame em. Especially now with Elon saying the Government isn't gonna pay contractors anymore.
You’re not supposed to tip military movers, it’s in the instructions you’re provided.
My wife and I just recently moved using military movers and all our stuff is fine. She’s a captain (the O3 kind).
Both teams of people were professionals and we didn’t lose anything to theft or damage. Maybe we just got lucky, idk. My experience as lower enlisted having government movers pack up my shit in Italy to move back to the states was similar back in 2014 though. Never had an issue.
My move was in the States. And yeah, the not tipping part is how most of us get fucked. Happy you had a good experience. I have nothing against movers for the record. It's a tough fucking job.
I'm not a veteran, but I couldn't possibly imagine not tipping movers.
What? Tipping movers is a thing‽ I’ve only ever moved myself, but I always assumed that you hire movers specifically to move you. Isn’t that the point? Why would you have to pay them more than they bill you? That feels like tipping your plumber for fixing your drain. Do people do that too?
Yeah, if it's a difficult move. Multiple pieces of furniture, up several stairs, etc.
Yes, people definitely tip plumbers. Are you in the US?
People tip plumbers? The fuck do you mean? It's a skilled trade, you're already paying for that shit like twice over when they invoice you... Or do you use some bizarre corporate plumber who pays their workers minimum wage or some shit??
Oddly hostile reply, but ok. It's not required at all, but yes I have tipped plumbers and so have people I've known. I have had a plumber come out to take a look and tell me in like 5 minutes what was needed. He didn't charge me anything, even though I agreed to a nominal site visit charge, because the quote was astronomical and I wasn't going to go through with the project and he was only there a few minutes. I definitely tipped him and have used him twice since. He's very nice and knowledgeable and tbh it feels like he way undercharges for his work. Maybe it's just my personal experience. Not everyone should or has to or anything.
Hostile? Because I cursed? Huh.
I'm not personally offended or anything, but it was the overall tone of the comment. Yea, the cursing was unnecessary, but then the accusation of using a corpo place that's taking advantage of the workers, and the multiple question marks does kinda contribute to an overall overly incredulous tone to the point of hostility towards the person you're responding to. Comes across as flippant and mocking (to me). Again, I don't really care, just thought I'd mention because sometimes people don't know how their text is perceived.
Just for an external point of view, to me it read as shocked rather than hostile
I apologize if you took it like that, but the multiple question marks, and overall tone, have more to do with my own frustrations. Don't take it personal.
No worries. I didn't take it like anything. I generally try to just respond to the content of a comment and ignore the tone, since you really can't tell. Like I said, mostly mentioning in case it benefits you in the future. Also, fyi, Google seems to agree with you that tipping plumbers is not expected. My understanding is unless it's a sit down restaurant, tipping should never be expected, but I'm happy to tip most people doing manual labor if they do it well or go above and beyond. I'm happy with my plumber and will probably continue to tip, but you're fine not to tip. More to the main point, google seems to think tipping movers is much more common. The internet consensus has spoken lol.
I am.
But the plumber already charges for the service call + hourly rate + parts + after-hours/holiday emergency surcharge… what is the tip for? Was I supposed to have been tipping my mechanic too all these years?
Yeah no, that's absurd. People don't tip plumbers... Right?
I have this sinking feeling that Anakin is standing behind us with a smug ass look in his eyes…
The only thing I can imagine is like some corporate plumbing company that pays their workers hourly? Otherwise, they invoice you and they take most (if not all) of that money.
Tipping culture in the US is out of hand, but in my experience most home service people are tipped. The main exception being people there for multiday renovations/work or people not doing manual labor.
To be fair I had multiple moves as an E4, both domestic and overseas, and those were fine too. They don’t hire special movers for officers, at least the non field grade officers.
I wouldn't take a butter bar's advice, neither. Not unless a sergeant had just them what to say.
Is a "butter bar" the Army equivalent of a "90 day wonder?" I never heard that term in the Navy.
Any O1 is a butter bar. It’s what the rank insignia looks like for all branches.
Gotcha. Thanks. I generally just called them Ensign, since my first O rank was O4
I wouldn’t call them a butter bar to their face. Lieutenant is the proper term for the most junior Army officers.
I was honestly too busy grading their work to come up with derogatory terms for my students. I guess we called them freshies, and newbies, when we didn't just call them the ensigns