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That's exactly what you're doing. Ignoring how much worse the situation is if you abstain from voting because you're focused on the lesser evil. Even on Gaza Trump said he wants to "clean it all out". Even on this issue the greater evil is worse. Stop pretending there was anything noble about letting that monster have power again. The system doesn't work so they let an even worse one take over and people who abstained or protest voted bear some of that responsibility for the consequences
I don't frame questions in terms of lesser/greater evil. I actually don't need religious concepts at all to understand this situation, all I have to do is listen to people and remember what came before.
You're so divorced from reality that there are no actual people who you are condemning, you're just mad at some strawman constructed by the party that humiliated itself, for it was the democrats failures that lost. You're buying into a ridiculous narrative that deflects all crit away from the democrats and puts it in some strawmen. It's like conservatives with their woke washing of all politics, or bad faith liberals and "tankie".
And to be clear, I don't agree with people who abstained to vote, I did not abstain to vote. and I didn't encourage anyone to abstain. I am very politically active and fundamentally agree with your logic. However...
What I despise is the scapegoating and strawmanning that is just endlessly regurgitated on this site.
You think good and evil are religious concepts? That's a new one. And I'm the one divorced from reality lol. People who abstained choose to do nothing about the rise of fascism. I do not blame them as much as someone actively supporting it but they absolutely share the blame for doing nothing to stop it and it's absurd to give them a pass as we suffer the consequences of their decision
Hitler was appointed as the lesser evil according to the liberal government that appointed him.
Lesser evilism is the most evil option in all scenarios.
And Trump is the lesser evil according to maga. Your point is we should just do the opposite of what liberals think? That's the entire philosophy of Republicans so that adds up
Greater evilism is as dumb as it sounds
Trump is the ideal leader according to maga, not a lesser evil.
If you're going to troll, at least get the basics right, lib
The choice also has never been binary.
You think maga thinks Trump is more evil than Biden? Who's trolling? Pointing out all the bs in your points is not trolling.
Give me a third choice, that's what we both want. We did not have that, how do you not get that? Not voting helped Trump
No, troll.
The lesser evil is not good, it's the less evil option.
Trump, to maga, is a good option. If there were a hundred candidates, they would pick Trump.
Biden, to no one, is a good option. If there were a hundred equal candidates, no sane person would pick Biden. He is evil. He is a ridiculously racist, ridiculously right wing, ridiculously evil person. He spent his career harming the working class and reducing your rights.
Only in a captured system where you only have two options would anyone ever consider voting for Biden, and only if his opponent is worse. He would be the lesser evil.
Drinking a bottle of gasoline is less bad than drinking a gallon, but it's not good. And it's never your only option no matter how thirsty you are.
I hope writing at a second grade level has cleared up your ignorance and misunderstanding.
To your last point, there's always more than two choices. Always. In every system of governance. You didn't find any other option tasteful, because out of all of them you still wanted evil — you just wanted less.
When did I ever make that claim? Disagreeing with you does not make someone a troll that's a pathetic fallacy grow up. A "good" option is less evil than an evil option how are we even arguing this right now?
Were arguing this point because you're objectively wrong.
The lesser evil is not good, it's evil. Good is not less evil than evil, it's not evil.
It's not a spectrum. Its a different option. Beef is not less poultry than turkey, it is beef.
You're pretending good and evil isn't a spectrum and calling it objective. I think we're done here.
We are, hope you enjoy the camps you voted for. I mean you just voted too put others in those camps, so, I hope you enjoy what you damned others to.
I voted for Dems and seeing what the guys you let into power are doing I am very proud of that vote
You just repeated the claim in this comment.
The good option for magas is Trump, their less evil option is Biden, the evil option would have been a competent third party or a protest or literally anything but voting.
The good option for people that aren't evil was doing anything to stop either Harris or Trump from taking office. Anything at all. Treason is the better option than voting for either destruction of the US people.
The fact you don't understand that nothing in life is binary is how were arguing this right now. Good is not the lesser evil, it is good. The lesser evil is still just evil.
You seem to think there was a third candidate that could have won the election. There were two. Binary means two possible values. Yes this was binary and not voting helped one of the two. Things in life absolutely can be binary have you ever flipped a coin? That's an absolutely absurd claim to make. You're very much living in a different reality
A third candidate was a possible option, yes. And there were plenty. If you vote for people they win. That's not the only option you had or will have in 2026/2028
As far as your second point, a coin flip has endless possibilities, the easiest to demonstrate is it landing in its side, rather than a face.
Exceedingly few things are binary, and those that are are rarely that way naturally and must be forced into being that way.
And that is about as likely to happen as a third candidate is in our current system
Looks like you're realizing how ridiculous your statement was 🤡
Incorrect on all counts. Sucks you'll be in the camps and never help, all so you can jerk off to the false idea that you were right.
Like abstaining and letting the camp makers into power? That thing you're literally advocating for? You cannot be this stupid. Check your home for a gas leak
..the thing I'm advocating for has been the only thing in history to threaten and dethrone fascists.
You can't vote them out, kiddo.
You understand that a viable third candidate would be to be on the ballot right? You understand how absolutely impossible it would be to get a third candidate to win in a write in vote right? You can't believe that. I just refuse to believe you are genuinely stupid enough to believe that. Do you just not understand how ballots work???
... Jill Stein was on the ballot for more than 320 electoral votes, next excuse?
Are you really that pathetic? Do you really just love the taste of fascist cock that much?
You voted for Jill Stein? The Putin puppet that met with Putin and Michael Flynn? That's your candidate to defeat fascism? I take it back. You can be this stupid but damn are you stretching the capabilities of human mind. Be safe🫡
So, do you just love sucking fascist cock or is there an alternative reason you're repeating their propaganda?
I voted PSL, since the anti-democratic dem lawsuit to keep them off the ballot failed in my state. However.
No, stein, a well renowned medical doctor is not a Russian puppet. No, an international Peace conference was not a secret meeting place for whatever enemy of the day fascists want you to fight. No, there isn't a global conspiracy against your favored fascist. No, we shouldn't be fighting any wars currently, or funding them.
In any case I hope you do enjoy the camps. You have demonstrated you deserve it.
And did you think PSL has any chance in hell of winning? You literally let a fascist into office and are crying about people being fascist. You literally didn't even vote for the "coin landing on it's side" candidate you voted for the "meteor hitting the coin before it lands" candidate. You ushered in the fascist and accuse others of fellating them. The projection is unreal.
Also here's a reminder to breathe you clearly need it
It was a choice between a genocidal fascist and a genocidal fascist. You people didn't care when the genocide didn't affect you, you're only mad that it will now effect you.
Sucks to suck, fascist. Just remember we won't be saving you this time. Last time we did that you spent a century demonizing us on behalf of fascism.
The Dems are fascists too now? Dude you need help. You see how absurd it is to say "I hope you enjoy the consequences of something you tried to prevent" right? Please seek help there's something profoundly wrong with you
This account is a grade A .ml Tankie/BlUeMaGa type
I'm starting to think it might be a UniversalMonk alt account lol
Well said!
So far, Gaza is infinitely better than it was previously. Colleagues are seeing less people at a clinic in the south, with a lot of displaced people returning north. They even returned to checkout an office up north and assess the damage. Sure, it's not fine / okay, they are returning to rubble, no schools and no hospitals, but the ceasefire is holding for now.
https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-netanyahu-set-pivotal-talks-middle-east-agenda-2025-02-04/ ooooooffffff your comment did not age well
What, because he said some stupid shit? Just as he said he will use force to take over Canada, Mexico and Greenland? I'm saying how shit looks right now from the pov of people in Gaza, working as doctors. Till actual military actions happen, there is a working ceasefire that Biden was unable to push through.
Yes. Declaring to the world that the US wants to relocate Palestinians from the area is worse than the Dems policy. That's right. And again Biden could not get a ceasefire because Netenyahu was intentionally keeping it going to help Trump's election. Getting people to abstain or protest vote is exactly what Netenyahu's goal was.
I can declare myself the emperor of mankind and it doesn't mean people will give me all of the resources in the world. Every country in the Middle East says "fuck that". Every country in Europe says "fuck that". I'll believe it when it actually starts happening. And since Trump isn't a magical king of the US to be able to do everything he wants as a despot, it won't happen. The reality of it is - under Biden, Gaza was bombed. Right now it isn't. Saying "oh that's just because they waited till Trump" then god damn it, put PRESSURE on them to stop. Don't sit back sending them weapons, wiggling a finger. Biden fucking sucked when it came to Gaza. Openly said he is a zionist. Openly said he promised his dad to always go with Israel. He supported the genocide till the very last day. So no, fuck Biden and fuck democrats for standing idly by.
Weird you use that logic to defend Trump and then reverse it to attack Biden. And if you don't want to think about the reality of "why?" and just look at what is then it makes a lot of sense why you're so manipulatable
Cool, so we are now at the ad hominem stage, fuck me for saying what actually happens. I judge what's on the ground and I have an intimate knowledge of it from my coworkers and the background of what I do. I see less people at the clinic. I see people moving back. I see people checking out locations in the north they weren't able to go to. I see liveua and all incidents disappearing. But apparently, it was better with Biden, when that wasn't the case. When people were getting killed all the time. So yeah, I'm the manipulated one. Instead, the democrats were 100% for Gaza. Kamala went "I'm talking now" to then say "We'll liberate Gaza", bombed Tel Aviv, hanged Netanyahu off a tree and the ceasefire has been in effect for a year in a half now, with everyone singing "kumbayaa" together.
Jesus fuck dude. Right now the people got a respite and that is infinitely better than supporting an ongoing genocide. Till bullets start flying again, then we can talk again. I won't support someone that let genocide happen. Back then, everyone said "there won't be a ceasefire at all and every president, Kamala or Trump, will not let it happen" and yet there it is. And saying "oh Biden would totally get a ceasefire" is the manipulation - because he had the opportunity and didn't. He had all the measures to pressure for it, but didn't. So spare me your "ur manipulated lmaaaao" when you have a pattern of behavior on one side, and a year and some of inacton, and a ceasefire on the other.
When you are so thoroughly incapable of addressing an argument's points,ad hominem is no longer a fallacy, you are in fact the problem.
Every bit as relevant as you being a dumb shit. Your experiences do not change the merit of your options thoughts, or lack there of. And no we do not credit trump for a ceasefire in his first week anymore than we credit a president for the economy in their first week because there's is very obviously a lag and complexity in cause and effect. That it moronically reductive. So yes I will continue to point to how fucking stupid you are
Except for the tiny fact that Trumps envoys were there a month prior and the ceasefire is literally the exact same as it was in October, when dems were "in charge". It's obvious you don't want to admit anything good about Trump so you revert to insults and disparaging other peoples' experiences. I love it how my knowledge of what's literally happening on the ground in Gaza is somehow completely invalid as if it is a personal anecdote. You are literally trying to gaslight me and tell me that Gaza with a ceasefire in force that is actually working is somehow worse off than it was with Biden in power when there were bullets flying. And then you call me "fucking stupid" because you know that you are in the wrong here. There is no arguing that democrats were pro Gaza. There is no arguing that there is a ceasefire that's here thanks to Trump. And despite me hating the orange fuck, I can admit that. But you seem completely incapable of doing it, the cognitive dissonance just doesn't let your hateful thoughts die down to admit that people right now are safer than they were previously.
So now you're trying to say Trump gets credit for a ceasefire when he wasn't even president and want to ignore completely that he has incentive to keep the genocide going and you think him having discussions with Israel in MAY is evidence he was ending it, not extending it? After which he says he wants to relocate them to neighboring countries and you want to give him credit? Holy fuck you are truly incomprehensibly stupid
A month ago isn't "May" last time I checked, but okay. He said straight up, that he will be trying to get a ceasefire before he goes into office. He sent out envoys recently. The ceasefire deal is the exact same as it was in October, when it was rejected (and not rejected by Palestine).
I cannot spell it out more clearly. You judge by what he says ignoring that Biden said he himself is a zionist and the promises he made to his dad, both easily checkable things. You are ignoring dems refusing to let in Palestinian speakers during their conference. You are ignoring the silencing of pro Palestinian voices. As I said - so far there is a ceasefire in force, and it wasn't Biden that got it.
I'm tired of saying the exact same thing. Insult me if it lets you sleep better at night. The reality doesn't change with you refusing to admit that democrats are / were supporting genocide and the situation flipped the second they weren't in power anymore.
https://www.axios.com/2024/11/10/netanyahu-trump-three-calls-gaza
Let's hear about how meeting in July is ok. Shit sorry I forgot you didn't give a shit about facts or having to think for a moment.
Trump literally just said and then doubled down on removing Palestinians from Gaza.
I literally never made this claim? I've never said Biden or Dems are good for Gaza, a huge portion of the party is guilty, but they are better than Trump. But when Trump says something worse, a literal call to restart genocide, you ignore it. I'm so done with you you fucking moron
You don't even understand what "a month ago" means and you keep bringing up outdated articles. But whatever, have yourself a nice day, you don't want to look at the facts yourself, you just want to be angry. You somehow still don't get the fact that "nobody is shooting at me" is infinitely better than "we are sending thoughts and prayers but doing nothing to stop the genocide". Then you go back to insults. But as I said - whatever helps you sleep at night. Doesn't change the fact that it was Trump who got the ceasefire. Guess the "one issue voters" got what they actually wanted huh
An article older than a month? Fuck you can't even follow your own statements. Literally within the same sentence. And if you can't follow your own sentence what hope do you have to realize I've already addressed everything else you've said. You're too stupid to reach. It's incredible. Good luck you seriously need it
Okay dude, now you are just trolling. Enjoy the blocklist.
Trolling is pointing out what you said. Holy fuck are you dumb.
Netenyahu kept it going to help Trump. This ceasefire was coming regardless when there was no reason to keep it going
Furhermore, Trump and the Oligarchs have yet to seize the good parts of Gaza for their own. That's coming.
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