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We reached the point (some time ago) where the save icon being a floppy disk makes absolutely no sense to anyone born after a certain time. We could choose a more modern media format and use an icon of that instead, but we would run into the same problem once that media becomes obsolete.

What is a good icon for the function of saving something that can easily be understood by anyone regardless of language or the march of time?

Edit: I know it's not really an answerable question and is hard but the question is what would you come up with if tasks to design an icon. Given the constraints of the question, what are your best shots at coming up with something that fills the requirements and why do you thing it would work?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's a floppy disk. Which is the universal icon for saving, the same way a red light is a universal symbol for "stop".

You underestimate the power of arbitrary symbols. Welcome to all of human semiotics.

[–] hornywarthogfart 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

No I get that but I'm asking that given what we know about symbols and how we process information, what would be a better icon that can indicate save without having to be taught? There is clearly no right answer here but is it even possible to create something that would work? Things like rain or clouds we can do because there we can see examples. Is there anything that indicates saving we could come up with?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Your difficulty here is the qualifier "better". We can create a different icon. A more modern icon. A cooler icon. But there is not a better icon, not until fewer people understand the floppy means save than those who have no idea what it is. And because it's self-reinforcing ("the save icon is a floppy disk because floppy means save"), that's not likely in my estimation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

But we did. We used a 3 1/2 floppy disk, which only made sense referentially very briefly (after it took over from 5 1/4 floppies, but before all the saving was handled by a hard drive), and then that became the convention.

You're asking if there's a referential equivalent you could do now. You could do a little cloud or whatever else, but it wouldn't be any less "taught", because the teaching happens, like any other UI iconography, by having a bit of text next to it in a menu or a tooltip and then it becoming an arbitrary icon that just means that thing.

The point of the icon referencing something (star for bookmarks, a down arrow into a little box for download and a puzzle piece for extensions in my Firefox bar right now) is to make it easier to remember later because there is some context that connects the visual to the functionality. It's not necessarily to make it so that I don't have to learn what the functionality is in the first place and just intuit from the visual. That just happens because I have decades of knowledge about what the functionality in browser is supposed to be and what the arbitrary convention for certain functionality across other apps ends up being.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably not. We use a kebab or a hamburger to mean "tap here for a menu" for some reason

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The symbol is meant to represent line items on a menu. It's referred to as "hamburger" because it's whimsical, Leland.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

This little exchange makes my point beautifully.