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Remember how all the protest voters told us how Harris would have been the exact same? Something about the DNC not offering a candidate that would be any better than trump?
Yeah… Don’t believe them when they try to tell you that they didn’t go out of their way to help make this happen.
Yep. Quite a few of them have gone quiet, I've noticed. Not one of them has apologized for their cloying sanctimony before the election, no matter how wrong it was.
Still here, not going to appologize, I stand by my statement, both of them are facist, and the only two difrences between them where trajectory into utter decay, and retoric. Both of them make libs sanctamonious and tell me that I cannot call a spade a spade because the spade is actualy a hoe (it is very much a spade).
I never said they where congurent, or exactly the same, I said they where in the long run equivelent, and I stand by that statment. I said that Harris did nothing to earn my vote, and I stand by that, I said that running on "I am slightly less bad than the other guy and because there are only 2 parties that means you have to chose me" is not a sound or acceptable electoral stratagy, and I once agian stand by that. I said that her winding down her "they are wierd" and "Its neighborly not to hord wealth and be a rich ghool" tactics, that where working, and where austensably the reasons she chose Walz as her running mate because her brother in law, an Uber Exec did not like it was moronic and I stand by it.
Why have I decided not to keep posting about this, because your lot has stopped screaming that I have to cast a vote to someone that if I did I would not be able to sleep at night because I made an afermitive choice to suport them, because i see no significant disagreement between your view that "trump is a facist and the US is NOW facist" and mine "Wow trump as expected really plunged at a steep slope, he took some of the plausable denyability out before I was expecting, but it does not change that the Previously Facist US that is still Facist is moving down the Facism railway" so there is no god damn reason for me to post about it all the time
And before you ask, yes I know there are lives at stake and live are being torn apart, I am aware and not unsympethetic, no I do not think that it would have accelerated this fast with Harris, no I am not an accelerationis, no I did not "want" trump, yes if only 2 options exist harris would have been the slightly better one, but agian that is like saying eat dog shit, or eat dog shit coated in chocolate, I am not going to willingly chose either of those options.
So no, I am not sorry, no I am not gone, and no I am not "quiet" I just see no significant disagreement on the basis that I feel the need to write a comment, let alone now that election season is over you see a whole lot less trying to tell me that one would be the greatest thing ever.
They have gone quiet because the project is now wound down. Dufus is in the white house, so they have been moved to a new task.
They've moved on to directly attacking trans people and bipoc
Yep. Well, most of them. Some seem to still be sticking with, and even doubling down, on the stupid and immoral position, although they frame it as being morally superior to everyone else. 🤣
You guys sound like the bots to me. Defending the genocidal politicians and the system that keeps them in power. That stain will never wash off, no matter what shit you try to sling at everyone else. Moral compromise like yours is why this world is broken.
Moral high horsing doesn't stop your rights from being taken away and country ruined.
You stink of privilige if you can weather all thats happening.
Virtue doesn't matter. Consequences do.
Palestinian leaders begged US citizens to vote for Kamala Harris. Sometimes the lesser of two evils is the correct choice.
No. They didn't.
I sincerely hope that each and every one of them is at least capable of feeling guilt. Because I so badly want them to suffer the guilt of having helped caused this. I don’t even care anymore that they refuse to admit it. They know it, I know it- them admitting it doesn’t make it better.
Knowing they feel the full weight of guilt pressing on them for being partially responsible for everything that will happen as a result of their ignorance?
Yeah… That does make it a little better.
The trolls, etc., on places like Lemmy? I doubt many of them were even genuine in this kind of sentiment - I'm sure some were even foreign actors working to stir up division everywhere, most especially on the left. And if they really hold this position, I have no idea.
It's the people I know IRL that are the ones I'd like to see wake the fuck up. And apologize for their useless bullshit and their tiresome lectures about gEnOcIdE and "bothsides" and just let it all burn down so we can rebuild America in some wholesome perfect way kind of dorm room talk. Yes, American foreign policy is shit and has been for decades before I was even fucking born, and yes, Democrats are often complicit in this. Gaza is hardly anything new, as shocking as it is. Yes, the Democrats are not offering up a perfect pretty pony for them on every single issue.
But now we are going to be blasted with fucking sewage for the next four years, with actual harm coming to at-risk people (which is going to be nearly everyone if it gets bad enough) HERE and foreign policy is going to be much worse, and we can point at people like this and thank them for their part in making it happen.
Muks had/has an actual team for disinformation for x just like im sure many other companies/countries do. Welcome to a post truth society where lies make money and the division is an added bonus.
The fact that you're focused on attacking leftists trying to make a better world instead of the literal fascists shows how wicked you really are. The fact that you show joy in the suffering of others, no less.
"trying to make a better world"
What the fuck are you talking about how is Trump winning enabling us to make a better world? Its done the fucking opposite. Are you actually this delusional?
I'm not quiet, my comments just keep getting deleted, and only the comments pretending I said something else get to stay.
As ever I will not take any lectures on morality from anyone who watched a politician arm a genocide and voted for them (or their VP) anyway. We had multiple non-Trump candidates, you all picked the biggest genocidal scumbag Nazi traitor out of all of them - both in the primaries and the general - and you lost. Blame yourselves for rallying behind a monster.
P.S., nobody said "the exact same". You all just love rolling that out, but at the same time can't even acknowledge exactly WHAT similarity it implies, that two "opposing" politicians both UNQUESTIONINGLY PARTICIPATE IN A GENOCIDE. Really, finally, at long last here - take a minute out of your life and seriously ask yourself - HOW THE FUCK DID THAT HAPPEN? What in god's name brought us to that situation? Because if you can't explain that, you don't understand anything about what's happening.
And now the genocide will get worse.
Do you understand how first past the post works?
If you all are going to keep repeating these lazy narratives I demand you back them up with data.
Further, I demand you hold leaders like Biden and Harris accountable for failing to listen to voters, just because you don't like our opinions doesn't mean you can simply ignore us and expect to form a functioning coalition.
Centrism and neoliberalism are dead, everybody has abandoned this category of politician and politics, it is an extinct belief system that brought about an environment it could not survive in. People either want genuine hope and working class politics rooted in a proud sense of leftism/solidarity with the average worker or they want fascism and not the diet kind centrist liberals serve up, a very small amount of people want cowardly, spineless status quo managers who are unable to do anything but try to convince people they are less bad than the really bad guy.
Also, I voted for Harris, all the leftists I know did. You are yelling at random people with intimate connections to Palestinians who couldn't bring themselves to vote for someone who wouldn't even let a Palestinian voice speak at the DNC. That is the fault of the DNC for failing to understand people won't vote for them if they refuse to do ANYTHING of substance to stop a genocide that could have been stopped with a single damn phone call from Biden if he grew a spine or a heart. Leftists recognized the catastrophic consequences of this strategic blunder and attempted to steer the bus away from the cliff but centrists just completely and utterly ignored leftist and Palestinian voices and actively worked to discredit and silence them, often as jeering insults told in the company of Republicans as a way to try to get them to like them for being centrist, as if Republicans would ever vote for a Democrat in any significant number?
......1000 facepalms
Centrism and neoliberalism failed, stop trying to pretend like y'all own the narrative, your strategy and description of how things would pan out failed miserably, and actually nobody else really cares about you whining and blaming others for not voting for a shitty candidate.
Trump is worse than Biden or Harris would have been, we know. We knew that before. You aren't listening if you think that is a big GATCHA to us?
All leftists absolutely did not all vote for Harris. I've literally seen "A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide" propaganda spread around with posters/banners. And that shit almost certainly moved fence sitters.
We can blame multiple groups at the same time. Its just left accelerationists and protest voters/non-voters are legitimately stupid and evil and yet are more likely to start arguments on Lemmy because they're self righteous and think they actually have the big brains or whatever.
Neolibs/Centrists think they'll be fine and are going to get the bag regardless (thinking the fascists wont come for them) and the apolitical types don't even want to engage because they're not paying attention anyway nor want to. They don't engage.
The blame is equal. Its just it gets louder between left leaning people because of the frustration.
They just moved back into their underground slayers where naysayers are immediately banned.
They will never apologize because they insist they are right and we're wrong. Further they hold the actual left wing voters responsible and claim we are allowing this to happen, we are complicit and we need be held to account. I've been assured that liberals are The Enemy.
For all intents and purposes they need to be placed among the cult of the right. They aren't a logic based lovely. They are not progressives. They are a flavor or authoritarian. They literallly believe their flavor of idealism is the only valid flavor.
They actually remind me of libertarians, where everyone has maximum freedoms for to as they wish so long as they don't use that freedom to form a government. Neither has any doubt. They are 100% they are correct and as any inllectual has told us, that's 100% nonsense.
There is a reason that horseshoe theory is a thing. Though I don't think these people were necessarily on the left, per se, but just maybe more attracted to giving hot takes on nearly everything, politics included, and maybe for a time were associating themselves with leftists.
I can think of at least one person I know who was down for all things crunchy when it came to "health", or getting chakras aligned and going to seminars on the latest guru pitching something about past lives or whatever and kind of generally supported the Green Party (they said, but I'm not sure if they actually voted? I remember asking if they went to the polls, decades ago, and they were like, what?? So I know they didn't vote that time anyway).
And ever since 2015, she has been a full-on, 100% maga zombie. Watching Faux, believing Qanon, all of that shit. She really does think that Hillary and Obama were sex trafficking little kids. She's extended family, but ever since that - she's been cut out of all events, because it's all she wants to talk about. No one can deal with her, not even other Republicans - even if they voted for donvict, too. The irony? She is almost 100% reliant on government handouts.
How many more times do Republicans need to win before Democrats stop blaming voters?
How many more times do republicans need to win before protesters decide to get off their ass and participate?
Bullshit, the Democratic party blocked every non-establishment candidate and never once took a stand against the Republicans. It's just not my party, I guess so they won't be getting my vote in the future. Assuming fair elections will even be able to be held again.
^You don't like it but this person's right^
Right or not, 6 million democrats/left leaning people stayed at home.
I get that people want to vote for a candidate they actually believe in. I never felt more motivated than when I voted twice for Bernie Sanders in two primaries.
I also felt damn good to vote against Donald Trump. I don’t understand why people just let this happen. I really don’t.
I don’t want to blame voters, but SIX MILLION sat out this election that voted in the last.
The previous, COVID election was an outlier. Trump lost with a huge turnout. Biden had even more. Biden had the largest turnout ever in history. Biden.
He's not the second coming. He just happened to run in a very opportune election. Tons of people voted, especially by mail.
COVID. This last election wasn't apathy. It was a return to the norm. Statistics.
Well that fucking sucks too. You’d think someone would have made Election Day a federal holiday and maybe we’d be alright now. Gah.