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Since Trump, I'm finding the Lemmy.world experience to be increasingly akin to an echo chamber and it's quite frankly starting to bore me. (Inb4, I'm a left winger and I don't like Trump, but I'm much more interested in a good spirited debate or novel points of view than I am in Orange man bad Nazi circle jerks)

If I wanted the same repetitive comments to be upvoted and any different opinion at all to be downvoted and even blocked/banned, I'd have just stayed on Reddit.

Are there any instances where different, opposing and novel points of view are celebrated and debated rather than simply derided and downvoted?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (25 children)

Can you elaborate on "wage slavery" and how such a term applies to AES states? Getting paid for labor is not anti-Socialist. Further, pretending government is a Capitalist and that the parties are distinct from the working class, and moreover are the actual owners of the economy, is ridiculous. Using the USSR as an example, wealth disparity shrank massively, the top of society earned around 10 times as much as the bottom, as opposed to well into the hundreds as was standard before and after Socialism. If they constituted an owning class, they sure sucked at it.

The real political economy was not based on an M-C-M' circuit founded for the profits of party officials, but a Socialist economy based on public ownership and planning, which resulted in working class victories like free healthcare and education, large scale infrastructure, and early retirement ages. Saying any Mode of Production with wages has "wage slavery" isn't accurate, it's fringe.

You aren't under an obligation to debate me, sure. I'm not demanding you debate me, you're under no obligation to continue. I replied to your original comment as I am free to in order to offer perspective as someone that spends time on Hexbear.

Saying every time Anarchists worked with Marxists they get betrayed is not historically accurate either, there are many cases of alliances that achieve good results. Usually conflict arises if one faction millitantly opposes the other, which was frequently done by the Anarchists as the Marxists usually had more support among the public.

I'm not Greek, nor do I think Greece is the sole authority on the merits of leftist collaboration. I know for a fact that they have historically worked together and do continue to, not all the time of course, but frequently.

[–] GrammarPolice 3 points 2 months ago (8 children)

The two juggernauts going head to headπŸ’€πŸ™

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Lmao, I think considering me a "juggernaut" is very funny, I'm just a dude online that happens to take Marxism seriously. Db0 has a bigger claim to that mantle considering they do a ton of good work on the Piracy and FOSS front, which I respect a good deal, even if their theoretical analysis and knowledge of Marxism is severely lacking.

[–] GrammarPolice 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nah bro you definitely also should give yourself some props. You're probably the most ardent Marxist on the fediverse. Even though your contributions may not have reached the heights of db0's you're still quite influential in your sphere iykwim.

You're the father of fediverse Marxism while db0 is the father of fediverse Anarchism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I seriously disagree, there are many better than me over on Lemmygrad and Hexbear. I just spend more time on federated instances.

[–] GrammarPolice 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Willingness to engage outside the echo chamber and in good faith makes you better than them in my book

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd say that's more of an energy consumption and willpower thing than being a "father of Marxism" for the fediverse. Further, @[email protected] would have that title anyways as the lead dev of Lemmy itself. I wouldn't call the Marxist instances "echo chambers," living in Capitalist countries in general are already echo chambers, it's the Marxist communities that challenge the echo chamber.

As a side note, did you read Blackshirts and Reds?

[–] GrammarPolice 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

dessalines

Not broπŸ’€

It's the Marxist communities that challenge the echo chamber.

And by so doing become echo chambers of their critiques. Anywhere on the internet that is saturated with those who think alike is an echo chamber.

As a side note, did you read Blackshirts and Reds?

I read a bit. I haven't really been able to get through it cuz i have exams coming up. So i should get to it when those are over.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't know what you're saying about Dessalines.

As for "echo chambers," they don't exist devoid of context. An "echo chamber" mirroring the positions of the status quo upholds it, while one going against the grain disrupts the status quo. They aren't equally "echo-y."

Good on you for starting Blackshirts and Reds, good luck on your exams!

[–] GrammarPolice 1 points 2 months ago

I'm saying bro is not all that.

They may not be equally echoey but they're still quite echoey and often deafeningly so.

good luck on your exams!

Thanks!

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