Fediverse vs Disinformation
Pointing out, debunking, and spreading awareness about state- and company-sponsored astroturfing on Lemmy and elsewhere. This includes social media manipulation, propaganda, and disinformation campaigns, among others.
Propaganda and disinformation are a big problem on the internet, and the Fediverse is no exception.
What's the difference between misinformation and disinformation? The inadvertent spread of false information is misinformation. Disinformation is the intentional spread of falsehoods.
By equipping yourself with knowledge of current disinformation campaigns by state actors, corporations and their cheerleaders, you will be better able to identify, report and (hopefully) remove content matching known disinformation campaigns.
Community rules
Same as instance rules, plus:
- No disinformation
- Posts must be relevant to the topic of astroturfing, propaganda and/or disinformation
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Let's assume for just a second that it wasn't intentional. It was, but let's play pretend that he's a giant moron instead of a Nazi.
That would mean that he's a fully adult human in the information age that has somehow never seen any ww2 movies, TV shows, or documentaries. That he's never seen modern Nazis in the news having done the exact same gesture and movement.
Or, that his memory is so horrible that he forgot all of that.
Or that he did see that stuff and still thought it was a good idea to use it anyway.
Absolutely none of that excuses him from being an absolute shit stain of an excuse for a human being and throwing a perfect replica of a nazi salute. It might make him not an actual nazi, but it would still make him deserving of contempt and disdain. Hell, it would make him deserving of contempt and disdain from the nazis too.
The only time non nazis use that salute after ww2 is either as historical performance, mocking someone that's acting like a nazi, or mocking nazis. There's absolutely zero good reason to do it other than that, and mocking someone that isn't a nazi isn't exactly a good reason, it's just that it's generally dismissable.
So, musky, what is it? Are you a nazi or a moron? I suspect it's both.
I was in the shower the other day trying to do similar moves that would come close to being a nazi salute but not actually be one, like, waving, saying thank you, pointing with my whole hand.
It felt very unnatural and awkward and basically impossible to do something accidentally close to a nazi salute while trying to do something else
Yeah, it's not a natural combination of gestures. It takes changes in direction that you just don't do in combination for anything else but salutes.
Since the default salute is to bring the hand to the head before extending the arm, and the arm isn't held out for that, it doesn't even match the common US salute you might give. Normally, if you're saluting someone here, you either snap the hand to and away from the head, or you hold the salute at the head until the situation calling for the salute is over.
Even that, you aren't going to be practicing enough to make it an automatic response unless you've spent time on jobs where saluting is common.
Soooo, where has musky been that he's firing off that gesture often enough to make it in that situation? Why hasn't he been making it for years, if it was just something he does? Makes it read a lot more like someone finally feeling free to do something they've had to suppress.
Nailed it. Been saying it was probably an over enthusiastic gesture, but why was that gesture in his "vocabulary"?!
To add to your great post, Americans never throw an open-hand salute in a gesture of "fuck yeah!". We throw a closed fist, thumb knuckle up, punching almost straight out in front of our face.
My take is this: Even if we're being charitable, saying it was unintentional, and I think it may have been enthusiasm, that "word" was still in his "vocabulary".
People that don't say N***** in casual conversation don't suddenly bust out with it. I don't come out with S*** when talking about Hispanic people, because I never use that word. Ever. Same with G*** for the Vietnamese. Those are words I understand, but do not use. Ever.
I'll be the last to police conversation and vocabulary, downvotes online and ostracization IRL should be enough, and I think it's become seriously nuts the last decade, but he's "speaking" the language he's accustomed to, plain as day.
Exactly. If someone pops out the n word at all, they've said it before, often enough that it's a habit they normally suppress.
A nazi salute is the same thing.
TIL that there are slurs for Hispanics and Vietnamese.
Yup. Tbh, there's slurs for pretty much any ethnic group other than a small range of what gets called "wasps", the White Anglo-Saxon Protestants. They're not the only ones that use slurs, but there's a surprising lack of them directed towards them. And none that carry any weight as a slur, if you want to include generic terms for white folks like honkey.
There's even slurs for ostensibly white folks from wrong ancestry, though how much weight they have is fairly low and tends to be regional.
Ain't it a great world we live in?