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They're like that in this apartment we're renting and I keep seeing them elsewhere. I don't get it.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No one seemed to mention the important fact that UK and I think most Europe is a higher voltage than the US. Tom Scott as well as Technology Connections have some good videos on the whys and differences it causes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Weird that you think anywhere other than North America has 110v electric

I think Japan has but literally every other country is 230

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

As on the Wikipedia map, you see it's essentially North and Central America, Japan, Taiwan and some Pacific islands plus some countries where there is a mix of standards.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/World_Map_of_Mains_Voltages_and_Frequencies%2C_Detailed.svg/1600px-World_Map_of_Mains_Voltages_and_Frequencies%2C_Detailed.svg.png?20240228195012

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's also kind of misleading. This map labels North America as 115-120V like everyone always does, when in fact it's ALSO a 240V system, it's just that the "common" plug and the "typical" circuit don't use it, they only use half of a center-tapped 240V line. So that's the "standard" they choose to use to label the whole system.

But it's kind of unfair. It's 240V coming into the house just like everywhere else in the world, except you also get the choice for it to be 120V. Being split-phase makes it easy to run multiple 120V circuits with a minimum of wire and still allows 240V for high-wattage appliances on their own dedicated circuits. It's actually a very clever system and basically every house is effectively supplied with both voltages. It's often poorly utilized, yes, with a few practical limitations and a lot of limitations due to historical conventions, but as a technical design it's really kind of the best of both worlds, and it could be utilized a lot more effectively than it is.

If I was allowed to have an outlet with two 120V sockets, and one 240V European-style socket, there's no technical reason I could not safely do that in a single outlet box. I could choose to plug in whatever I want at either voltage as long as it wasn't more than 15 amps. Of course code would never allow that, because we consider the higher voltage "more dangerous" but it's always right there, across two opposite phase 120V lines. We're just not allowed to use it, except for large electrical appliances like air conditioners and clothes dryers. It's frustrating.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

By that logic, Europe should be labeled with 400 V, as this is the voltage between any two of the three 230 V phases connected to each household.
It is commonly used to power ovens or instant-on water heaters (Durchlauferhitzer, not kettles). Crafts, industry and even some households have IEC 60309 5-pin connectors for movable heavy gear.

[–] ThanksForAllTheFish 2 points 3 days ago

UK kettles use the standard 240V mains and it's excellent. Under 2 minutes to boil 3 US Pints with a 3000 Watt kettle.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

France used to have 110v too, it started to be phased out and replaced by the 220v in the 1950s.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Not related but another surprising thing about our shared standards is that Sweden used to drive on the left until 1967. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H