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[–] [email protected] 87 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Americans have jesters privilege. We can say anything we want as long as it doesn't matter. As soon as the government thinks it might matter, they have a million tools to silence you.

[–] Lucidlethargy 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is horse shit. There are examples of protests being countered (e.g. When Trump gassed protesters and clergy members to hold a Bible up upside down at their church), but these examples are rare and those people weren't actually "silenced". They told everyone about what happened.

Americans have freedom of speech protected by our constitution. China, on the other hand, has actual laws dictating against many forms of speech.

For example... "The PRC bans certain content regarding independence movements in Tibet and Taiwan, the religious movement Falun Gong, democracy, the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, Maoism, corruption, police brutality, anarchism, gossip, disparity of wealth, and food safety scandals."

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_China#:~:text=The%20PRC%20bans%20certain%20content,wealth%2C%20and%20food%20safety%20scandals

[–] Rekorse 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

How well did the protests about gaza go over then? You are hand waving away something we all lived through and saw. From unions to college campuses, protesting has never been a protected right. You can only protest as much as those in power allow you to in your area.

Even those not in power shit on protestors when it affects their lives. People start saying things like "thats not the way to protest" or "this isn't the time or place, have some respect".

Its bullshit, and we do not have the freedom to speak our minds, unless we already agree with what we are expected to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

See also: the cute little "free speech zones," you're free to speak your mind as long as it doesn't interfere too much or upset anyone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The US cracked down on Gaza protests quite harshly. Many states enact book bans these days and some ban topics like slavery from schools. Also historically protests against Vietnam were partly gunned down. The black panthers were often murdered and in fighting them the US even bombed one of its own towns. Red Scare was huge and Ernest Hemmingway was probably driven to his suicide by FBI surveillance, for which he was called paranoid but later proofed real by declassified files.

Censorship in China goes farther, but the US is far from being a free speech haven or ever having been that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

As soon as ~~the government~~ oligarchs who own the media think~~s~~ it might matter, they have a million tools to silence you.

But it's also worth noting that the Chinese don't even have that. At least in America, you can get your message out by getting a billionaire to agree with you.

[–] explodicle 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I thought the Jester's job was to say stuff that DID matter, but he presented it in a way where the king could save face.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Looking it up, it's unclear how much jesters were respected for having political competency that kings and court would listen to vs how much they were were entertainers who were permitted much greater liberty with content because he was non-threatening and affected nothing.

[–] Rekorse 2 points 23 hours ago

I think simply people like to laugh, its not crazy for a king to hire on someone to make them laugh.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Facts right...

I would posit you can say anything but the truth that hurts profits or US interests otherwise...

Like calling out Israel 🤡