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For me it would probably be Canada. Seems like we share alot of values with them, and we could do more trading than we do today.

Especially if they also will have tensions with the US, it would be a win win.

But what do you guys think? Northern Africa would be an obvious choice in the future, but I don't know if they're ready.

PS. This is not a post talking about leave the US entirely. Ofc not. It would just be better for us to work with others and expand our worldview a little.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The whole world is not moving right in the same way as the US right now.

In Europe we get more rights, and in the US you loose your right to abortion entirely.

The US is now trying to take Panama, Canada and Greenland, which sounds alot like dictatorships like Russia and China.

So no, no one else in the western world is moving towards that. But I'm sure both Musk and Zuckerberg want you to see it that way on their platforms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What rights do you have in Europe that we don't have in the US?

In Europe we get more rights, and in the US you loose your right to abortion entirely.

That's not true at all. In fact, lots of states give access to abortion much longer than Europe does. And before anyone says healthcare, we do have universal healthcare, it's just used as a safety net rather than a default. Every American has access to it as long as they meet financial requirements. I spent 4 years on it myself and it was great.

The US is not trying to take anything, we're negotiating prices for territorial strategies.

I think whatever news you watch or listen to is fear mongering.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What rights do you have in Europe that we don't have in the US?

Easy. Privacy.

Right to our data. Freedom to choose an App Store, search engine etc for our phones. Geo-locking is illegal for our digital services. We could continue?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We have the right to privacy too, though the tech version you lay out here are more robust. Our right is to not purchase the products that require us to give access to our data. There are ways to keep private online, but it is much more difficult.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Our right is to not purchase the products that require us to give access to our data.

You can't hear how that sounds? Congratulations, you are allowed to NOT buy something.

You're not even told when they steal your data, because there's not even a rule for that either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I didn't say it's perfect or even good, I don't like it either, but we're talking rights. Here, the product has a right to take our data as long as we consent to it - and you're wrong, we are told when they take our data, most of us just don't read the print, and click accept.

Not sure why you're so bitter about it, or why you're so consistently wrong about absolute rights we do or don't have.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Then you haven’t paid attention to European elections.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

in the US you loose your right to abortion entirely

This is a massive, massive exaggeration of the state of abortion access in the US.

The US is now trying to take Panama, Canada and Greenland

Trump likes to bluster. The US will not be invading Panama, Canada, or Greenland.


The US isn't moving like you think it is moving. And that seems to be throwing off your views on how European and US relations have been and will continue to develop over the next decade.