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Summary

Key leaders of the “Abandon Harris” movement, which encouraged voters to oppose Kamala Harris due to U.S. support for Israel during the Gaza war, are now expressing unease about Trump’s incoming administration.

Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.

However, concerns are growing over his Cabinet picks, such as Mike Huckabee and Tulsi Gabbard, which some see as troubling for Muslim communities.

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[–] winterayars -3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Gonna be honest, i think Biden could have beaten Trump. I don't blame him for stepping down (though if he had done so sooner i think it would have been better) but i think he had at least as much chance as Harris, maybe more. That's purely strategic, though. I think the calls for him to step down were coming from a position of weakness and fear and were interpreted as such by the electorate.

He could have easily won if he did something about Gaza other than "support genocide" but here we are, at the (current) end of a long string of such decisions.

We see with the UHC shooting how much anger there is for the inequities in this country, it would be easy to tap into that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Anyone Democrat could have won if they did the populist thing and didn't split the difference on Gaza. I think Biden and Harris might have been the only two people who could have lost to him!

Biden wasn't going to run a different campaign to the one that was losing to Trump when he finally stepped out. Nor did Harris. They both ran losing campaigns against a dude who's a fucking felon.

The message last time from leftists in the party were that they held their nose to vote for Biden in 2020, it a referendum AGAINST Trump. Well, the DNC loaded another 2 bullets into the revolver, maybe 3 if you included Liz Cheney at the end there, rolled the wheel, and fired a bullet right into the country again.

Mark my words, instead of moving left to capture the voters again, they'll ratchet right. Fuck the DNC.

[–] xmunk 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Given how Harris ran her campaign, in retrospect, I actually agree that Biden probably would have performed better and I absolutely did not believe that was possible after the first debate.

Harris ran an historically shit campaign that cost bonkers money.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Harris's major flaw was saying she'd just be more Biden, which Biden would definitely do. And for as poor as she did, it was still an improvement on Biden's numbers. They needed someone willing to break from the status quo.

[–] xmunk 5 points 6 days ago

She said she'd be more Biden but she didn't have the track record to back it up. Biden has been underwhelming in a lot of ways but Harris rejected maintaining stronger union ties and failed repeatedly to commit to keeping on Lina Khan - she basically ran on "Who wants four years more of Biden but more neoliberal!"

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 days ago

"Nothing will fundamentally change"