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Lockheed Martin UK’s chief, Paul Livingston, defended the F-35 stealth jet program after Elon Musk called it obsolete due to advances in unmanned drones.

Livingston emphasized the F-35’s unmatched capabilities, including stealth, battlefield data-sharing, and cost-efficiency by replacing multiple aircraft types.

While Musk labeled the program overly expensive and poorly designed, Livingston argued drones alone can’t match the F-35’s capabilities or defend against threats like China’s J20 jets.

Despite criticism over cost and reliability, the F-35 remains integral to NATO defenses, with widespread adoption across 19 nations, including the UK.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The guy that can't deliver self driving cars wants to talk about self driving planes?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The cars were going to fly short distances too.

He said he was going to use monopropellant thrusters to make his cars fly.

Hopefully I do not need to point out the many reasons this is a very bad idea, if not functionally impossible.

He also said he was working on an electric aircraft at one point.

Other companies have actually made such things... not Musk though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

if lithium battery fires were bad, i'm sure that firefighters are thrilled to see hydrazine fires, several hundreds of kg at a time, after random crashes. lmao. what the fuck was he thinking?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

To be fair(TM) planes are a bit easier. Fewer obstacles up there and typically a lot of things broadcast that they are there. They were landing the Russian space shuttle by computer in the 80s.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No one was jamming the Russian space shuttle, or shooting missiles at it.

It’s one thing to have an autonomous landing program on an aircraft, it’s another thing entirely to have a program that can react to surface to air missiles, enemy jamming, and over the horizon air to air missiles.

Elon musk is an idiot if he thinks a drone can replace all of the capabilities of even an F22, let alone the F35, which is a multi-role aircraft capable of handling all of the above and more. The F35 can jam, do reconnaissance, network with friendly fighters to fire over the horizon missiles, and drop bombs that weigh 1000 times what a drone can carry. Was it a good use of tax dollars considering the budget overruns? Probably not. But can it be replaced by drone swarms? Hell no. The F35 is an unmatched weapons platform, that’s why nato countries have been buying them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Oh yeah Elon is a wanker for sure. I just wanted to point out that though they seem similar the problem spaces are different

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

all from the power of one potato no less!