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[–] [email protected] 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

This is false. Only Israel does not want a two state solution. Even Hamas accepted it in 2017.

This is what people mean with enlightened centrism. There are no two sides preventing peace. There is only Israel preventing peace.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 39 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago) (1 children)

I think we can track down several times two state option was on the table, starting as early as 68

[–] [email protected] 1 points 36 minutes ago (1 children)

Very cool and false. But now everyone accepts it except Israel.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 29 minutes ago (1 children)

What is the benefit from lying? I don't get it. This is all basic info.

The two-state solution is supported by many countries, and the Palestinian Authority. Israel currently does not support the idea, though it has in the past. The first proposal for separate Jewish and Arab states in the territory was made by the British Peel Commission report in 1937.

It was also on the table at Camp David.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

How does that prove they're lying about Israel currently not supporting it?

Right now they're wanting to just take the land after eliminating the people who lived there

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

The 2017 Hamas charter is openly available on the Internet, and it says it still doesn't recognise Israel as a state and strive for "complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea." This is not really a two-state solution. Two states recognise each other's right to exist if this is indeed a two state solution.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Of course Hamas is not stupid like the PA. They will not recognize Israel unless Israel agrees to a two state solution.

Your arguments are the most generic Hasbara so I am not assuming you are speaking in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Hamas stated "from the river to the sea" in that charter you yourself mentioned. That could not be any more ambiguous.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes of course they have the right to regain all their stolen land unless Israel wants to accept a deal. What is your point exactly?

Read this before typing your next comment

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/5/2/hamas-accepts-palestinian-state-with-1967-borders

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago

without recognising the statehood of Israel

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

They've pretty explicitly been aiming for a Palestinian state in the territories occupied since 1967. And not just recently, proposals for a permanent ceasefire (which sets the first steps towards recognition and normalization of relations) with Israel under these conditions go back to 1999. Conveniently, both Israel and the US didn't find it necessary to respond.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Hamas still doesn't recognise Israel, do they?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Does Israel recognize West Bank as Palestine?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

From the article you linked:

without recognising the statehood of Israel,

Exactly the point. Both sides need to recognise each other. This isn't a sports competition. It doesn't require a PhD to figure that one out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The PA recognizes Israel. What did that give them?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

without recognising the statehood of Israel,

[–] [email protected] 3 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

OK you don't even know what the PA is. Consider not having any opinions.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 55 minutes ago* (last edited 51 minutes ago) (1 children)

So do you support Hamas taking foreign hostages who have no dog in the race? What is your opinion on October 7 attack?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 38 minutes ago (1 children)

No answer quick change the subject. Zionists only response.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 30 minutes ago (1 children)

If by PA you mean Palestinian Authority, while they seem to have been spineless, how is Hamas taking foreign civilian hostages with no dog in the race promote Palestinian cause? What is your opinion on October 7 attack?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago

Answer the question. What did the PA gain by recognizing Israel?