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Ancient Rome? Really? (lemmy.wtf)

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

You know, I fucking hate Trump but I prefer to save my outrage about things he actually said and did. If you really wanna dunk on him, this ain't the time. Look at the actual quote:

"The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years to Ancient Rome."

I mean, I can't really disagree with that. I'm fucking SICK of journalists converting everything into clickbait. You want some things to be angry about? Here's some ACTUAL shit he did the same week:

October 16, 2019: During a meeting with congressional leaders about the situation in Syria, President Trump reportedly referred to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as a "third-grade politician," leading to Pelosi and other Democratic leaders walking out of the meeting.
October 17, 2019: At a campaign rally in Dallas, Texas, President Trump criticized the ongoing impeachment inquiry, labeling it a "witch hunt" and attacking political opponents, which some viewed as inflammatory rhetoric.
October 18, 2019: President Trump announced a "permanent" ceasefire in Syria and lifted sanctions on Turkey. Critics argued that his decision to withdraw U.S. troops from northern Syria had enabled Turkish military actions against Kurdish forces, leading to regional instability.

If you want to be annoyed about Trump, there's plenty of actual shit he does. No need to make up shit just to get clicks. Fuck you lazy journalists!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

“The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years to Ancient Rome.”

Yeah that's not actually incorrect too badly. Well perhaps the "bound together" bit but like history for the massive systems, yeah, it is somewhat shared. Common law and whatnot. Although Italy definitely doesn'tuse common law anymore so Trump would be better of comparing US to brits in that sense.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Why promote inaccurate bullshit and ignore the actual shit he does?

Oh wait, right, propaganda and shit "journalists".

Thanks for the info on those happenings, btw.

[–] freeman 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah that’s not actually incorrect too badly. Well perhaps the “bound together” bit but like history for the massive systems, yeah, it is somewhat shared. Common law and whatnot. Although Italy definitely doesn’tuse common law anymore so Trump would be better of comparing US to brits in that sense.

I doubt Italy ever used common law as that originated in Medieval England. It's civil law that descents from Roman law (specifically Justinian's codification of it). Since civil law is way more common around the world most countries have more in common with Rome than the US (or other Anglo countries) do.

You are right however that trying to portray the US as a modern 'Rome' is not a Trump thing but common American propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

I may have been aware of the fact that that's sort of what I was trying to say, but I didn't have enough knowledge to distinguish "common law" from "civil law", despite having the ability to actually define common law as it is. I didn't have the term "civil law" is what I'm saying. Thank you for that. There was a gap in my knowledge and you patched (at least some of) it.

I wasn't specifically aware of when common law started. I looked it up just now, and apparently "in the courts of English kings in the centuries following the Norman conquest". So... perhaps it'd be more accurate to imply common law is Nordic as opposed to Roman? In a very indirect way.

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