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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

Yeah it makes me so mad when I see farmer using their farming equipment to protest, or truckers using their trucks. Everyone has the right to protest, but that right should be equal. So if they want to organize a protest, gather together somewhere in a large group, that's fine by me. But once they start using their equipment that's where I draw the line.

The reason they are allowed (and often licensed) to use that equipment is because they need it to do their jobs. As soon as they use it for any other purpose, they should not be allowed to do so. It's super disruptive, often unsafe and an abuse of their rights and privileges. The impact their protest has is amplified greatly by the use of the equipment. The right to protest should be equal. I work in IT, what the hell am I supposed to do? Start throwing my laptop at cars? I'll be put in jail if I did that, and rightfully so.

They can all just protest like the rest of the plebs, like me. Any farmer, trucker or whatever appropriating their equipment for anything but their job should immediately lose access to said equipment. They earn the right to use the equipment through permits and licenses, they should lose it if abused.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Who cares, as long as they have a license plate and are impounded if used for something illegal.

I'll bet this stuff would end quick if a 300K John Deere was impounded and kept for 2 months while we sort this out...

[–] TriflingToad 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Everyone has the right to protest, but that right should be equal. So if they want to organize a protest, gather together somewhere in a large group, that's fine by me. But once they start using their equipment that's where draw the line.

Nah. Peaceful protests of a few people on the side of the road doesn't really do much. I prefer dumping manure on the administrative building

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

I agree, that's exactly my point. Farmers who can do shit like that and truckers who can block roads have a disproportionate amount of power with their protests. The rest of us is relegated to peaceful protest on the side of the road (or usually in a field or on a square). Which becomes a real issue when the truckers ride in convoys for fascism and farmers support the far right.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Obviously vehicles are now allowed. Organize a protest with cars.

[–] brbposting 2 points 5 days ago

…appropriating their equipment for anything but their job should immediately lose access to said equipment.

Hope ur doing this activism on ur personal machine

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The reason they are allowed (and often licensed) to use that equipment is because they need it to do their jobs.

What country gives that reasoning? In America, if I wanted to, I could buy a tractor, a sprayer, and whatever else I wanted, and I could do whatever I wanted with it so long as I put a slow vehicle sign when I went down the highway.

Why would a country restrict tractors? Seems asinine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Every driving licence issued in the UK has a like to show eligibility to drive a tractor. If you have passed a car driving test you get a category F entitlement which allows you to drive an agricultural tractor. About 75% of the UK population are licensed to drive a tractor.