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Why aren't there more admin level graphical tools available for Linux? Or if there are, what are they? (youtu.be)
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I understand the usefulness of the terminal and how universal it is for troubleshooting across distros. But can't there be a way to make a nice graphical tool for the various admin level tasks that need to be performed?

Edit: Thank you to the outpouring of feedback on this. It has greatly opened my eyes to how much I don't know about. I did see a couple suggestions though, so I'll be sure to check them out.

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[–] samick1 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've been using Linux since ~1996; I used to wonder about this a lot.

The tl;dr answer is, it's too much effort only to solve the problem of making life easier for new users, and it can be a disservice to users in the long run.

As others have pointed out, there are limited GUI tools for common administration roles.

Power users are much, much faster at doing things via CLI. Most administrative tasks involve text file management and the UNIX userland is exceptional at processing text files.

A graphical tool would have to deal with evolving system software and APIs, meaning the GUI tool would be on constant outpatient care; this is counter to the UNIX philosophy which is to make software simple and well-defined such that it can be considered "done" and remain versatile and flexible enough to live for decades virtually unchanged.

It wouldn't be that much easier for things like network rules unless a truly incredible UI was designed, and that would be a risk since the way that's implemented at the system level is subject to change at any point. It's hard enough keeping CLI userland tools in sync with the kernel as it is.

It would need to be adaptable to the ways different distributions do things. Administration on CentOS is not always the same as it is on Debian.

And ultimately, the longer a user spends depending on GUI tools, the longer it will take them to learn and become proficient with the CLI, which will always be a far more useful skill to have. You'll never learn the innards of containers or VPS' if you only know how to do things from the GUI.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well put. I do need to learn much of the basic workings of CLI. Any recommendations on how to approach learning?

[–] samick1 2 points 2 years ago

I think my best advice would be to make a philosophy out of it. Learn how to solve every problem you come across with the CLI. Only use Google or ChatGPT when you hit a wall, and utilize the man pages to understand why the answer works.

Make a habit of automating common tasks using shell scripts. Over time you'll accumulate a library of cookbook code for doing common things that you can always refer to. Write comments in them to save time when you come back and refer to them. It also saves time to automate common things.

Long ago I followed the Linux From Scratch guide and it was very enlightening. It walks you through installing a working Linux system from scratch, starting from within another installation. So you could e.g. install Debian to a VM, add a second virtual hard disk, and follow the guide to iteratively install each bit of the system on the second hard disk until you can boot it and use it. This is an intense (or at least time-consuming) process but it's worth it.

Although it's terribly outdated now, I got a lot out of the book The Unix Programming Environment. It lays out the history of the system really well. In general, anything written by either of those two authors (Kernighan in particular) is just gold, they're both excellent teachers. It helped me intuitively understand concepts like pipes, "everything is a file", shell programming, awk, etc.