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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Positive reinforcement is the act of adding either a reward for good behavour or a punishment for bad behavior.

It seems like both of you are doing that.

[–] TriflingToad 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

That's not quite what positive reinforcement is but im not sciency enough to understand it either lol
I'll paste Wikipedias explanation:

In the behavioral sciences, the terms "positive" and "negative" refer when used in their strict technical sense to the nature of the action performed by the conditioner rather than to the responding operant's evaluation of that action and its consequence(s). "Positive" actions are those that add a factor, be it pleasant or unpleasant, to the environment, whereas "negative" actions are those that remove or withhold from the environment a factor of either type. In turn, the strict sense of "reinforcement" refers only to reward-based conditioning; the introduction of unpleasant factors and the removal or withholding of pleasant factors are instead referred to as "punishment", which when used in its strict sense thus stands in contradistinction to "reinforcement". Thus, "positive reinforcement" refers to the addition of a pleasant factor, "positive punishment" refers to the addition of an unpleasant factor, "negative reinforcement" refers to the removal or withholding of an unpleasant factor, and "negative punishment" refers to the removal or withholding of a pleasant factor.

This usage is at odds with some non-technical usages of the four term combinations, especially in the case of the term "negative reinforcement", which is often used to denote what technical parlance would describe as "positive punishment" in that the non-technical usage interprets "reinforcement" as subsuming both reward and punishment and "negative" as referring to the responding operant's evaluation of the factor being introduced. By contrast, technical parlance would use the term "negative reinforcement" to describe encouragement of a given behavior by creating a scenario in which an unpleasant factor is or will be present but engaging in the behavior results in either escaping from that factor or preventing its occurrence, as in Martin Seligman’s experiment involving dogs learning to avoid electric shocks.

(These paragraphs are one after the other but I can't figure out proper formatting)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you mean formatting as one quote, you are missing the > on the empty line.

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Will show as:

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[–] TriflingToad 3 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Interesting. I've never made that distinction between reinforcement and punishment.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Positive punishment is different from positive reinforcement. Shame is a punishment

[–] prettybunnys 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Adding a shame or punishment is “positive” in the sense of the words positive and negative reinforcement.

Positive is adding to as a response:

  • yelling at
  • giving a thing
  • shocking them when exhibiting a behavior

Negative is removing from as a response

  • taking a thing
  • removing a negative stimulus
  • no longer shocking them for exhibiting the behavior
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Punishment for bad behaviour is negative reinforcement.

[–] prettybunnys 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

In a non-technical sense, yes.

In a clinical/technical/literal/how words work sense, no.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Just looked into this, and yeah, you're right. TIL. It's pretty counterintuitive imo and I don't think being told it's wrong from a "how words work sense" is helping anyone, but you are correct and I was incorrect.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

negative reinforcement is what punishment for undesired behavior is called.

positive reinforcement is rewarding when the desired behavior is exhibited.

edit: negative reinforcement requires forever conditioning and develops sick and twisted conditioners eventually. positive reinforcement takes longer to work but it doesn't require forever conditioning. And rarely causes revolutionary acts.

[–] prettybunnys 3 points 2 weeks ago

Negative reinforcement is removing a thing when a behavior is exhibited.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Negative reinforcement is punishing for doing it rewarding for not doing

Positive reinforcement is rewarding for doing or punishing for not doing

I don't think the person who started this was talking precisely though as positive reinforcement isn't at all effective in getting someone to stop doing something