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This is a genuine question.

I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

P.S. this topic is highly controversial and I want actual opinions so let's be civil.

And if you're a mod, delete this if the post is inappropriate or if it gets too heated.

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[–] [email protected] 259 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

If he gets caught, then I'd say yes. Murder should be treated as murder regardless of what the reason is. Making exceptions is never a good idea.

I just hope he doesn't get caught.

[–] [email protected] 180 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Then all of the healthcare companies that allow people to die because they will not cover them need to be prosecuted, every executive, every decision maker.

[–] [email protected] 101 points 2 weeks ago

Don't threaten me with a good time.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 weeks ago

Trinity: what is he doing?

Morpheus: he's beginning to believe..

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice.

CS Lewis - Screwtape Letters (preface)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'll take that trade

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Population Health needs a regulated definition.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Brian Thompson and his co-workers murder hundreds of thousands of people with systemic neglect, spreadsheets, and lawyers. They murder in broad daylight, during business hours. And yet they're comfortable, well paid, successful people who will never see a day in jail. What they're doing isn't even considered a crime.

I hope he doesn't get caught, also. Because the same laws that protect those fucking ghouls will crush him for bringing attention to the grift.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Like I said, making exceptions is always a bad idea. It's how these fuck heads even get away with it. But at the same time I can't agree with exceptions even if I agree with the reason behind it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The point is that there are already exceptions.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Which is bad, and needs attention.

[–] skulblaka 10 points 2 weeks ago

This IS the attention.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Like, all of humanity in the US?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

they’re comfortable, well paid, successful people who will never see a day in jail.

They also run the risk of getting assassinated by the people who they have exploited, so we'll see how comfortable they remain in the future.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Making exceptions is never a good idea.

Why not? The whole reason we have judicial discretion is that every crime departs from the platonic ideal in one way or another.

The working class has been losing a class war for decades without ever properly noticing that it was happening. Working Americans have been dying in that war, and now someone struck back.

I'll be sold on the "no exceptions" ideal when we haul in the corporate murderers alongside the people who fought back.

Jury nullification is the other acceptable option.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's kinda my point. The system is fucked beyond repair specifically because these people running the companies get exceptions. These people have basically let thousands of people die for the sake of money. So like I said before, murder is murder and should be treated as such.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Given the perspective you described, I would consider the actions of the company to be systematic mass murder who the legal system fails to stop, and the actions of the shooter to be community defense against a mass murderer. They're certainly not equivalent, and I don't see what the benefit is of treating that defense equally to even one callous for-profit murder.

The problem isn't that exceptions are made and therefore all crimes should be treated in an ignorant vacuum. The problem is that the idealist legal system doesn't even consider indirect suffering as the violence it is, because the legal system is ultimately beholden to the power of capital (money buys politicians and the media power to make them win, politicians write laws).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

I'm confident that someone will get caught and be made into an example.

Whether they were the one that actually did it is immaterial.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

2 or so years ago I'd have agreed with you.

But it's become clear that the wealthy and powerful are beyond the reach of our justice system. coughdementedfeloninthewhitehousecough

So fuck 'em.

I understand why they will prosecute him if they catch him, but I wish for him to never get caught, and I feel really confident (given the other signs of planning) that the phone, water bottle, and very public appearance at Starbucks in recognizable clothing are nothing but a red herring.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Sounded like self-defense to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I hear and understand your point, and I can't say that I disagree with it.

That being said, I sure as hell wouldn't convict the guy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I just hope he doesn’t get caught.

he will get caught. they already have his photo, he is not professional hitman, he can only evade for so long when there is the whole country’s law enforcement after him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Except the photo they have of him with his face visible isn't even the same guy. Doesn't even have the same clothes or backpack. So unless this dude is proficient at changing his clothes and ditching a backpack all while riding an electric scooter down the street in New York, then they have the wrong guy in that photo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

wtf are you talking about? they have multiple photos and it is obviously the same person

[–] anomnom 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The multiple photos with a face showing, has a different coat, hood, and backpack. Go look again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] anomnom 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sure thing:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/29120957

The hoods don’t even match. And the backpacks are different too, one had light gray straps, the other is black. And basically 50% of NYC dudes carry black backpacks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

you do understand that these photos are from different place and different time, right?

the black backpack seems more like some shoulder duffel bag to me i assume it is from the hostel checkin. people don't travel around the city with the same luggage they used for inter-city travel.

people also can have different clothes for different occasion, like putting on some light rain or wind-proof jacket. it can also be shitty compression from some shitty camera.

it is the same person ffs, look at his face, that nose could have passport of its own.