I disavow the ignorance displayed in the statement that “Feminists always think women are better than men.” But felt important to share how well received such a message is received on this site.
Previous posts in this series:
- epic ratio: https://lemmy.cafe/post/9597634
- lemmy is a worse platform for women than reddit was: https://lemmy.cafe/post/4821164
Kind of a roundabout way to say that, but I guess the underlying message is people are equally terrible? That's not really the worst opinion I've seen.
The actual message is the "... And feminists are hypocrite liars about it" part you skipped over.
That is definitely what they said, but they seem to mislabel feminism in general. Since feminism isn't about superiority to men, then who they are referring to is not representative of feminism as a whole. I guess what I'm saying is that they are actually right that anyone that thinks that one group is superior to another is wrong. They are wrong about the term they used to describe someone like that though, which I don't label as the worst thing ever compared to actually thinking the former point. So not understanding the term feminism bad, but also their point directed at the right people isn't wrong.
thanks for saying the truth lol. i happen to also believe that people are equally terrible but it’s annoying that people are intentionally ignoring the other half of the message.
Don't worry I too hit the comment button without reading sometimes.
people just suck tbh
humanity was a mistake
In other words you see oppression, and the people fighting back against their oppression as equally shit.
Classy.
this type of abrasive behavior is not rhetorically effective
Wow, I was not expecting this tone policing bullshit from you.
But no - what is abrasive is saying "humanity sucks" in the face of marginalised people, who have no hand in our oppression, pointing out that oppression. Not calling out someone doing this.
The patriarchy sucks. Misogyny sucks. Capitalism sucks. Humanity, which includes all of the people oppressed by those and other structures created by and for the benefit of a tiny minority of people, who band together and fight for each other and our rights and survival, shouldn't be thrown under the bus because someone doesn't want to, for whatever reason, diferenciate humanity and social constructs imposed on it for profit and control.
Fuck this noise, it's like blaming climate change on "humanity" which puts billionaires who create as much CO2 in 90 minutes as the rest of us do in a lifetime, and, for example, Indigenous people who were genocided and their sustainable ways almost destroyed and continuously overlooked, on the same level of responsability.
All this is is the same old bullshit of blame shifting done by the privileged to deflect it from themselves.
What is abrasive is "all lives matter"-ing marginalised people.
i agree with literally everything you said here except that you put words into the other commenters mouth over eight words lol.
No, I really didn't, I made a mildly snarky remark pointing out the direct implication of their bullshit statement (E: and which, if you agree with everything I've said, I'm genuinely confused why you're getting defensive of), and I stand by it.
I'm sick and tired of people responding to problems we have because of very specific systems and a very small group of people with a condemnation of humanity as a whole (E: consciously or unconsciously, but very directly, helping our oppressors by shifting blame away from them), and I'm not going to be made out to be "abrasive" for calling it out for exactly what it is, nor the tone in which I do it in (which, lets be honest, was seriously fucking mild), policed.
If they don't like the implications of their statement, perhaps they should reconsider why they made it, and not make it again in the future if they don't want to be seen to be making those implications again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think you're dead on. I have nothing else to add, but it's refreshing to see a non-doomer take.
I appreciate that, thanks.
ignores the entire first half of the sentence, the half that i highlighted in my post “that’s not really the worst opinion i’ve seen” and twenty odd upvotes
we are so cooked yall
They certainly have a misunderstanding of what most people mean when they call themselves feminists. My point was it's not as bad as it could be since they don't demonize what feminism actually is. They think everyone is on an equal level even if they don't have a positive opinion of everyone. I would say misusing a term is not really that bad when they could have said a lot worse like actually saying something along the lines of "women bad." Which I didn't really get that from their post, but perhaps I misunderstood their intentions.
People will conveniently skim the subtext and skip to the true parts when the text, when taken as a whole, confirms their own biases.
A lot of people see feminism as a "women are better than men" take. It's not, that's radfem, feminism is about equality despite the name as it has roots in the suffragettes movement.
good insight, ty
Yeah, because "all lives matter"-ing worked so well the first time around.. 🙄