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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy suggested a ceasefire could be possible if Ukraine’s NATO membership is offered for areas under Kyiv’s control, with occupied regions negotiated diplomatically later.

This marks the first time Zelenskyy has hinted at a deal leaving some Russian-occupied territory temporarily under Moscow’s control.

He emphasized NATO membership as essential to prevent further Russian aggression.

Zelenskyy also expressed readiness to work with Donald Trump, despite reports that Trump’s plans may involve Ukraine ceding occupied land.

Roughly 20% of Ukraine remains under Russian control.

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[–] ArbitraryValue 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The Winter War, which is generally considered a Soviet failure, still ended with Finland ceding a significant amount of territory to the Soviet Union. I wonder how similar Ukrainian leaders think their situation is to Finland's...

Zelenskyy also expressed readiness to work with Donald Trump, despite reports that Trump’s plans may involve Ukraine ceding occupied land.

There's no other reasonable course of action available to Zelensky. With that said, Trump might be volatile enough to actually support Ukraine's NATO bid. I don't think a rational US President would.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

left to his own feces, trump will abandon ukraine in a heartbeat and leave it for putin. the moronic voters in the u.s. chose that path.

that's why ukraine is saying they're willing to 'work with' trump, there's no other choice.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, this war is amazing business for the US military-industrial complex, so we'll see if they still have more sway in shaping US foreign policy than Putin: https://www.vox.com/world/2022/12/16/23507640/dc-party-invite-military-contractors-money-ukraine-russia-war-us

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

So far, evidence suggests that the MIC was a paper tiger, at least compared to Russian Intelligence. It's, frankly, embarrassing.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He's a wildcard but Trump has pretty consistently opposed NATO including wanting the US to withdraw from it. Which makes sense as it would benefit Putin.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In his credit; he did criticise the other members for not spending enough on defence and that turned out to be a valid criticism and now everyone has increased that spending.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

The funny thing is that the American military spending is not a gift to the world, it is the price to have US military bases around the world.

Me, as a non American, I am happy that there is less power concentrated in the hands of US (and not because US but because concentration of powers is always wrong)

But does this make sense for US? 🤷‍♂️