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i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] doomcanoe 85 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (43 children)

Real Talk, I'm getting real tired of everyone from the vaguely right of center to the farthest reaches of the left getting involved in this shit slinging blame game.

I legit don't care anymore who you voted for (edit: so long as it wasn't Trump I mean. But even then, time to start your redemption arc if you did). We are past the election and now all share the same immediate issues.

Folks who abstained from voting (or voted 3rd party) because you couldn't stomach the lesser of two evils, good news, that choice is gone. You can stop parroting the idea that anyone who voted Blue did so "in support of genocide". It should be clear by now those who voted Blue really were just doing their best in a bad situation, they are not your enemies.

Folks who voted Blue because you believe supporting the lesser evil is in service of the greater good. Good news, that burden is also gone. You can stop parroting the idea that someone who can't stomach voting for people who would play politics with genocide is really just a tankie or a bot. Not every one is willing to play game theory with people's lives, that doesn't mean they are your enemies.

Anyone who truly wants to push for solidarity and human rights for all is an ally of mine. And I propose we bury the hatchet, preferably in the objectives of fascists, before its too late.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (9 children)

On this platform specifically we've had months of smug people claiming to make the moral choice of directly or indirectly supporting the clearly worse choice. It's far too early to just let that slide.

If we in 100 years still sometimes talk about the early days of the fediverse where a bunch of morons fell for astroturfing, that's kind of a good outcome.

If they're real people they should feel bad.

For the not so real people, we should figure out how a distibuted system can deal with a concerted astroturfing operation.

[–] doomcanoe 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

On this platform, we have also had genuine people struggle with supporting a system and party that directly cause harm, even if it would cause less harm then the alternative. And many of them went from struggling with finding the right choice, to full on radicalization towards abstaining because of the smug posting of people on this platform who acted as if it was stupid or evil for them to struggle with their moral compass.

I get that everyone feels very strongly about their positions in this, and that these feelings are directly tied to our personal beliefs.

But the reality is, those who abstained and those who voted Blue share many fundamental beliefs. And we can either let this election be the hill we all collectively die on, or we can let bygones be bygones and stand united to help those we still can.

And here is the kicker, it may feel good to say those who came to a different conclusion than you should "feel bad", but if you do, you will be guilty of the same sin you so strongly accuse them of.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Two weeks is pretty fast to go "let bygones be bygones" for people making such an obviously bad choice. We're dealing with extremely dense people here who had months to figure this out and still made the obviously wrong choice. It's gonna take some repetition for it to register.

I say we keep talking about it at least until after there is another democratic election in the US, or talking about it becomes illegal in open forums in the US.

[–] doomcanoe 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I say we keep talking about it at least until after there is another democratic election in the US

Just in time to divide us again and let the situation get worse. Planning on making the same bad choice you are accusing others of huh?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, let's blame the people actually supporting Harris for her loss. That's a great idea. Let's all just keep falling for russian psyops or stay quiet to not "divide" us again

Great plan

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Let's blame the people who forced her on us after voters totally rejected her in the 2020 primary. Some of us pushed for Biden to drop out far sooner and got shouted down. Some of us called for an open convention after he dropped out and got shouted down. Some of sounded the alarm about the Harris campaign running a Republican light strategy and got shouted down. How much failure does it take for establishment fools to shut the fuck up?

[–] doomcanoe 1 points 1 week ago

No, that's also a pretty terrible plan. Though since I never suggested we do that, nor did I blame those who supported Harris, I have to wonder who you are talking to?

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