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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22332949

JD Vance said that ‘American power comes with certain strings attached’

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[–] [email protected] 135 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Not even in office yet, and already making threats.

I’d like to see Europe tell Vance to fuck off. I suspect that if Europe gives in now, the Trump administration will make this same threat every time Europe does something he doesn’t like.

Trump will be an unreliable NATO ally anyway, so it isn’t much of a risk on Europe’s part.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago

Don't negotiate with terrorists

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And this was from September so not even elected yet.

Tbh it kinda sounds like they just want to leave NATO regardless.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I get the same feeling, too. They’re just looking for an excuse to ditch Europe - perhaps as a sacrifice to Putin.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Ofc they won't SAY that - they'll talk about "what a fantastic savings it will be, to not spend that money", and probably they'll work up gently to the point of sending US citizens to become meat shields like the North Koreans and so many others lately. But at each stage, it will always be what "we" wanted to do - it's "our" idea to do it, I tell you!?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls the US out of NATO and the UN, since he hates both organizations.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'd be amazed if he does any of it tbh. Last time he just spent most of it playing golf, and sticking his goofy-ass signature on anything they stick in front of him.

The last thing they want to do is actually deal with the boogeyman issues. If they did that they'll have nothing to campaign on next time.

Most of this will be spent lining their own pockets.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is such an optimistic take. I am very concerned they will spend the next 4 years making sure whatever election we have next is more similar to a Russian “election”.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Why wouldn't they try? They've done everything they could so far and face no repercussions, why not go ahead and try to be king? A few people will fret and tut-tut but if nobody is going to do anything it doesn't amount to much.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, Trump specifically may not try because the risk/reward isn't really good for him.

As it stands, he gets to declare an unambiguous "victory" where he won at life. He got to be president with ultimately a clean sweep of the swing states and the popular vote and served as many terms as he is allowed to serve. Thanks to the rules, he doesn't need to compete again, and he can stop even pretending to work after 4 years.

Meanwhile, a push to establish him as "dictator for life" might at best buy him another few years in office before his health will fail. Such an effort comes with high risk, of him going down in history as more of a "bad man", of personal risk for being targeted by violence.

Now JD Vance might be game to make a go of it, he's got decades left in the tank. Of course broadly speaking there's a balance of power, with those currently in power relatively comfortable knowing that the vote serves as a nice way to get pushed out of office before people get pissed enough to put you in real physical danger. Plenty of opportunities to be self-serving with a pretty safe retirement should things start going awry. Fanaticism can drive people to go further, but I would like to think a pragmatic person with a sense of self-interest can see the value in a peaceful voting out versus having those same millions of people losing their political voice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

This shit is so naive.

[–] tabarnaski 11 points 1 week ago

The fact that he'll spend all his time playing golf or whatever will leave ample room for all his appointees to actually govern. It's not Trump we should be worried about.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

This is so naive. They literally told us exactly what they will do, and it literally has "2025" in the title. We need to listen to them when they tell us what they are going to do.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Didn't congress make it practically impossible to pull out of nato now?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Republicans will control Congress. I'm sure they'll be fine rolling anything back.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Do you not understand what the word "dictator" means? He told us what he's going to be. Congress is irrelevant, and if it continues to exist, it will be to rubber stamp, at best.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

If I recall correctly countries can't withdrawl from the UN without their approval

Problem is though that the un-united dystopia of america could cause issues in the UN

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The US pulling out of the UN would allow them to pass all sorts of cool stuff, like recognizing and admitting Palestine and calling for a ceasefire, recognizing the universal rights of children, and condemning the far-right, all of which the US used its veto power to stop against overwhelming support on the other side.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

It's going to be a hell of a long 4 years, for America and the rest of the world. Damn.