They can't do it as NATO, because it's a purely defensive alliance. The NATO partners would have to do it individually or make a different alliance for it.

IMHO it would be nice to help Ukraine with troops though. I don't see anything wrong with that, but I guess most countries don't want to risk moving their armies and become vulnerable themselves.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

The only country that would even think about deploying is Poland but I doubt they would without US backing them.

Anyway, we put Ukraine into some weird situation. Russian allies are clearly acting as such while we are being a fair weather friend.

I guess it is fitting considering nuclear non proliferation doctrine was pretty much a Kansas City Shuffle.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don’t see anything wrong with that

It would turn it into a world war. I see a lot wrong with that.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

No it won't. Korea is already there.

Let me tell you what ACTUALLY starts a world war.

Russia wins in Ukraine, spends 8 years building up forces and getting even tighter w/ china, keep chipping away at NATO unity with useful idiots like Orban, and then they take a crack at the Baltics.

THAT'S how WWIII starts.

Right now the masks are all still on. What happens in Ukraine stays in Ukraine. This is the only time to put boots on the ground that DOESN'T start a world war.

[–] lurch 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sometimes it takes a world war to end a war.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Then maybe sometimes it's better if the war isn't ended, and freezes like the Korean war instead.

A world war is literally never the better option.

[–] lurch 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

depends where the borders currently are at, when it freezes

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

no, it honestly doesn't.

[–] lurch 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

look, when it freezes and russia gained land, it's like a win for them. it will encourage them to rearm and start over or attack another country, then freeze again. over and over. some people are assholes and you can't have peace with them, because of them, not you. they will always start a war again, if they don't have to fear being destroyed or at least lose a bit of their territory.

i understand you want the killing to stop and it's good and where we should be heading, but there hasn't been a single day in more than 5000 years without an armed conflict and we just don't know how much before that, because there's not much recorded. humans are not there yet. the asshole to peaceful ratio is not in our favor.

the vast majority of russians likes this war. as long as they do, there will be no peace. every ceasefire will be broken by them. for them to stop, they must be destroyed. it's like Germany back in WW2. Germany had to be beaten and destroyed to become a normal, non-aggresive nation. it sucks, but this is how humans are at the moment.