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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Trump ALSO wants to destroy Palestine, you must understand that there is no option here that helps Palestine, there is merely one option that can help America. I'd like a perfect solution but there isn't one

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Oh there is one, Kamala could just not continue on the same path re: Israel as previous people in power. It's a simple change that gets her a lot of votes. But oh no, Trump bad, vote Harris, that's the only compromise people like you seem to offer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not offering a compromise, I can't make Harris do anything. If you think I'm some kind of wizard who can wave her hand and suddenly make Harris put Nethanyu on blast as she sends in the calvary to start rebuilding Palestine, then I got a bridge to sell ya.

I'm merely point out that we have two options.

We let Trump get elected, he deploys nuclear weapons in Palestine because he's an idiot who keeps demanding to know why we aren't doing that already ( https://patch.com/us/across-america/donald-trump-reportedly-asked-adviser-nuclear-weapons-if-we-have-them-why-we-can-t ) and starts rounding up vulnerable Americans in camps because he likes Hitler. We try to protest both, he deploys the national guard.

We get Harris elected, the threat of Trump is gone forever because he's not going to even live long enough to try this shit again in 2028, we still have the freedom to protest, she doesn't make things any worse for Palestine than they already are under the Biden administration, and we can still focus on trying to push the country leftward with the whole "Not having to fight for our lives" conditions a Harris presidency brings that the alternative does not.

Under the former, we can't do shit to help Palestine because we'll have our own problems, under the latter there's still a fight.

I'm not meekly saying "But Trump..", I'm merely being realistic in what the landscape looks like under each presidency.

Palestine isn't gonna have a good time under either President this is true, but one of those is clearly worse than the other for not only that region, but our region. You must understand that.

If you really want to stand there and pitch a fit because you can't have your cake and eat it too, congratulations, you're going to get us all killed.

PS: "We could all vote Third Party." - ELECTORAL COLLEGES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!

"Electoral Colleges are inhumane, undemocratic, and we need ranked choice voting." - True, but it doesn't change the fact that our current system is an Electoral College and Republicans are the reason that's not going to change anytime soon.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 hours ago

Buddy, buddy. The entire thing is really simple. Trump doesn't need the votes from pro Palestinian people. He probably wouldn't get them anyways. Harris needs those votes. So either she changes course, or she loses an election. People who see Palestine as an important issue aren't going to vote for someone because they are "better" but still supporting genocide. They'll vote based on other issues, or won't vote at all. It's not the job of the voters to get a specific party votes - it's the exact opposite. They are getting elected for the people - not for themselves. So do what people want or lose.