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[–] [email protected] 184 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

"Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.

It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to "grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change anything.

And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too."

fuck yes. fuck russia. fuck russians.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 3 hours ago

I’m Finnish. Did you think I’d be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it’s not just lack of real news, it’s lack of history knowledge too."

Man, it's like you spend centuries brutalizing all your neighbors, if not outright conquering them and enforcing holocausts, and this is the thanks you get!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (8 children)

So, basically it's enough to say "Fuck Russia, Fuck Russians" here and it gains you massive support.

Seriously?

First, how does this fuck Russia the state?

Second, what everyday Russians have to do with it? What justifies sneaking in hate messages to a diverse ethnic group with no single ideology?

Saying "Fuck Russians" is about the same as "Fuck Jews" because Israel has done bad things. This is not okay.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 39 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago) (1 children)

Russia has said they are going to do asymetrical warfare with the west. So why should we not prepare for what they claim they will do? Russians arent owed anything by us. Not a seat at the table, not a chance to contribute to open source software, not to be listened to. Not rights beyond their borders. It doesnt matter if they are nice. Its not our job and not realistic to expend time and resources to take each individual russian's personal measure and apply sanctions onesey twosey on the bad ones. If they dont like it they should take it up with their motherland and get it sorted. I think we should immediately shut down all visas of any kind with Russia. The fact that the US is still allowing them to vacation here is absurd.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 minutes ago* (last edited 10 minutes ago)

No one's owed anything, but it's in the collective interest to unite - without borders.

Russia is growing reliant on Linux, and it is heavily unlikely they'll poison their own waters. Now Russian state and companies will just fork it for their needs, leaving mainline kernel worse off.

Russians are a diverse set of people, many of whom (especially relatively young IT crowd) are super not cool with what Russia is doing and have 0 intention to do anything murky in its interest.

And I'm growing tired of people imagining Russians can just come out on the street and end this for good, but somehow don't want to or something. Any coordination of people is broken and de facto outlawed. Protesters are jailed within about a minute of protesting. People are scared for their families.

All this also ignores the fact that other world forces can have every intention to backdoor and hurt Linux as well, yet Russia in particular is the scapegoat. Linus just made sure Linux is now part of the proclaimed "West", even though it was never attacked or forced to pick any sides whatsoever, and even Russia the state held absolutely nothing against it.

As per visas - not only would US lose out on a lot of talented folks that could benefit it (and not Russia, mind you!), it's also too big of a political center. There was an occasion when the US didn't want to allow in Russian diplomats that were heading for the United Nations HQ. Is that alright in your eyes?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 39 minutes ago* (last edited 37 minutes ago)

At the very least, a strong majority of russians are supporters of genocidal imperialism, however a solid argument could be made that it's more like an overwhelming majority.

This holds true across all demographic segments; income, education, age, region, rural vs urban. You may have a situation where the support for genocidal imperialism is a mere majority (e.g. younger cohorts), while others approach an almost absolute majority (older cohorts), but the majority always holds no matter how you slice and dice it.

This is backed by almost all quantitative and qualitative research conducted over past ~35 years. I can share a pretty funny anecdote about how an allegedly opposition minded russian (who gets quoted in the NYT) had to twist his own quantitative findings to present a better picture of russian society.

Even recent qualitative research run by opposition minded russian researchers shows a damning picture among of even allegedly moderate russians (in russian, I can share it).

A strong majority of everyday russian support the extermination of Ukrainian culture and sending everyone who disagrees to a torture camp. And this is not limited to Ukraine, they have a similar attitude to all nations that freed themselves from cancer that was the USSR.

Unfortunately many are ignorant of the nature of russian society or prefer to reject difficult information (it's just social media hate).

Torvalds is a Finn and he understand these things and he doesn't have the liberty of shying away from reality.

When compare "Fuck Russians" to "Fuck Jews"; what exactly are you referring to? Russian as in the ethnicity or Russian as in the nationality. This is actually a pretty important point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 27 minutes ago

With respect to screwing the state, it diminishes the nation's standing in the world. Tech companies under the government are unable to compete with other tech companies when it comes to promises of supporting Linux properly.

By itself it's not much but add the sum total of sanctions and you hopefully inflict an obvious contrast in prosperity available through global trade for a well behaved nation versus losing access to all those markets through misbehavior.

If the world doesn't want to step in with direct force, this is about the only sort of potentially effective measure available. Without force nor economic measures, you are left with shaking your head is disapproval.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 57 minutes ago* (last edited 56 minutes ago)

Well, if your state is breaching international law, deporting children, using artillery to reduce cities to ashes, sending hundreds of thousands of its own citizens to their death and allying itself with fucking north korea to "denazify" a country while swinging its nuclear dick around...

then maybe it's time to leave the country or accept that people with a russian mail address are persona non grata in the rest of the world. It's not their first war of aggression, and enough is enough.

fuck russia. fuck russians.

and fuck hospital- and refugee camp bombing zionists btw. (not all jews are zionists!)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 minutes ago

First, how does this fuck Russia the state?

It makes it more difficult for Russia to put backdoors into western IT infrastructure

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Yes. Fuck Russia and fuck Russians. Slava Ukraini!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Propaganda goes both ways

[–] babybus -5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

It's just people can't do anything to stop Russia or at least help Ukraine. Although the latter is possible, but it'd require some effort. Writing and upvoting "fuck Russia" on social media is easy and that makes them feel better.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 20 minutes ago

You feel good typing all that schlock out?