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[–] [email protected] 363 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The policy is you can only work from home when it benefits the company, not you.

[–] [email protected] 122 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm learning that the hard way. Started working for this company 2 hours from home,because I could WFH 3 days a week. Now they want me to come in 4 days a week. So I'm looking for a new job now. Which is a shame, because I do like the job.

[–] [email protected] 125 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What does your contract say? With this back to work bullshit I made sure my contract explicitly said I was remote.

Doesn't mean they won't change their mind but maybe I'll get severance instead of fired for cause of they have a back to the office push.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good tip, I'll double check that

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We need the update more than a windows user need a rollback.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

That's an exaggeration…

[–] gravitas_deficiency 3 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

most hires don't get contracts

edit: in USA. we get offer letters, take it or leave it. your job duties can change on the fly, no "contract" to abide by. do the job or leave/get fired. there is some negotiating room, but not a lot

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Huh? All jobs come with an employment contract.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You must not be in america. We're lucky if we get breaks.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Land of the free and all that. Free from paid healthcare, a decent public education, a strong voice in government, an impartial justice system, employee rights... With all this freedom, it's hard to imagine wanting to be anywhere else.

[–] Rekorse 6 points 1 month ago

Freedom to treat your employees however you want!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So if the employer suddenly decides to e.g. start paying you less, how do you prove how much your pay should be?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Previous pay stubs I suppose. Depending on the employer you may have something in writing. This typically wouldn't be contract if you're an employee without a union.

[–] Rekorse 5 points 1 month ago

Someone does some digging and figures it out, and maybe five or so years later you get a check in the mail for an amount the lawyers agreed was correct.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is nearly always a contract and the business will submit tax paperwork with your compensation to the IRS.

Under the table workers are illegal and on their own

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

still not a contract, that's just taxes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm an American and I've always had a contract. Even in retail. Of course the contracts are all bullshit and just a waiver of my rights.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

an employment offer letter is not a contract.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My dude, we're talking about remote work office jobs. Not some random under the table shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

My dude, that's exactly what I'm talking about. That's me in fact.

Even if I had a contract it wouldn't matter as I live in a right to work state, they can fire me at any point without warning or cause.

Having any real employment contract is NOT the norm here.

Non office jobs are more likely to be unionized and this have a contract than office jobs.

That's the type of thing non W2 self employed contractors or union members might have to lean back on, not rank and file full time office employees.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Lol I don't understand. So when you get hired somewhere, you just shake hands and go to a desk and start working? You don't sign any employment contract outlining role responsibilities, compensation, NDA, expectations, background check, bank deposit information, tax information, etc?

I don't believe you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

You get an offer letter that spells some of that out, but it isn't a binding contract.

An employment relationship in the United States is presumed to be “at-will,” i.e., terminable by either party, with or without cause or notice. Indeed, a majority of employees in the United States are employed on an “at-will” basis, without a written employment contract, and only with a written offer of employment that outlines the basic terms and conditions of their employment.

Source

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Title, start date and time, job title is about all that's on the "contract".

Rolls and responsabilities, not anything else, are not defined.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

you don't have too, it's all pretty informal besides taxes and I'd verification. no contract says you have to do X or can't do X, it's more rules or policies, which are often very bendable. you either take it or leave it, they can fire you as they see fit. just as youre not required to give 2 weeks notice. so if you never ask for raise or promotion, good chance you may not get either.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't understand how people can live like this and not consider emigration.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To where?

Somewhere with a substantial pay reduction that does NOT want me there and likely requires I learn a new language in midlife.

I'm fine, it's not a hellscape here, there are problems everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately, true. Countries in the Anglosphere generally don't allow immigration at all past the age of 50 or 55 unless you're married to a citizen or something, so odds are good you aren't even eligible to get in by the time you hit midlife.

And going outside of the Anglosphere requires becoming fluent in a language other than English - and even then it's not so easy to immigrate.

Of course, one can always head to Svalbard - they don't require work visas or residence visas, as per https://www.sysselmesteren.no/en/entry-and-residence/ - but it's pretty cold that close to the North Pole. Plus you'd have to learn Norwegian.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Coming from someone who successfully did exactly that - because it's quite tough. Immigration to most countries is quite competitive and expensive, with a lot of hoops to jump through. Those who can do it typically are much better off than the average Tommy and Gina (edit: Bon Jovi for those downvoters who don't get the reference).

[–] gravitas_deficiency 3 points 1 month ago

The term of art in employment law is “constructive dismissal”

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Remote rocket ship and hiring dot cafe

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)