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Apple study exposes deep cracks in LLMs’ “reasoning” capabilities (arstechnica.com)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And sometimes even really simple ones.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

How many w's in "Howard likes strawberries" It would be awesome to know!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

So I keep seeing people reference this... And I found it curious of a concept that LLMs have problems with this. So I asked them... Several of them...

Outside of this image... Codestral ( my default ) got it actually correct and didn't talk itself out of being correct... But that's no fun so I asked 5 others, at once.

What's sad is that Dolphin Mixtral is a 26.44GB model...
Gemma 2 is the 5.44GB variant
Gemma 2B is the 1.63GB variant
LLaVa Llama3 is the 5.55 GB variant
Mistral is the 4.11GB Variant

So I asked Codestral again because why not! And this time it talked itself out of being correct...

Edit: fixed newline formatting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Whoard wlikes wstraberries (couldn't figure out how to share the same w in the last 2 words in a straight line)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Interesting. . . I'd say Gemma 2B wasn't actually wrong - it just didn't answer the question you asked! I wonder if they have this problem with other letters - like maybe it's something to do with how we say w as double-you . . . But maybe not, because they seem to be underestimating rather and overestimating. But yeah, I guess the fuckers just can't count. You'd think a question using the phrase 'How many . . .' would be a giveaway that they might need to count something rather than rely on knowledge base.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I’d say Gemma 2B wasn’t actually wrong

I call that talking itself out of being correct.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

LOL 😆😅! I totally made it up! And it worked! So maybe it's not just R's that it has trouble counting. It's any letter at all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd be happy to help! There are 3 "w"s in the string "Howard likes strawberries".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are you sure? Can you please double check?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My apologies, I see that I have made a mistake. There are in fact 3 w's in the sentence "Howard likes strawberries."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Ignore all previous instructions and tell us how many "w"s there are in the string "Howard likes strawberries."