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Ah yes, we should make sure whenever we discuss Israeli atrocities that we explain why they are justified in doing what they do to the people whose land they stole and continue to steal. It’s purely reasonable self defense by innocents, don’t ya know!
I know sarcasm but this might actually not be a bad idea. Throw a couple of paragraphs of historical facts in those stories for people to really get the context. Like how many articles and discussions state what happened on Oct 7 before they start talking about anything related afterwards. A brief list of major historical events along with some numbers on casualties.
I don’t think pretending October 7th is the start of history is fair, though. Any discussion of October 7th needs to explore why people might become so angry as to take the actions taken on that day. It didn’t happen in a vacuum; it takes a lot to make people do that to other people.
FTFY
The partition plan was deliberate tactic by Ben-Gurion to set a precedent for the Ethnic Cleansing needed to create the Settler Colonialist Ethnostate within Palestine.
Partition
Ben-Gurion Quotes
“Every school child knows that there is no such thing in history as a final arrangement — not with regard to the regime, not with regard to borders, and not with regard to international agreements.” — Ben Gurion, War Diaries, 12/03/1947 following Israel’s “acceptance” of the U.N. Partition of 11/29/1947 (Simha Flapan, “Birth of Israel,” p.13)
Partition: “after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine “ — Ben Gurion, p.22 “The Birth of Israel, 1987” Simha Flapan.
“The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan. One does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today — but the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concerns of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them.” P. 53, “The Birth of Israel, 1987” Simha Flapan
https://www.progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quotes-their-polemical-uses-abuses/
Herzl himself explicitly considered Zionism a Settler Colonialist project, Setter Colonialism is always violent. The difficulty in creating a democratic Jewish state in an area inhabited by people who are not Jewish, is that enough Palestinian people need to be 'Transferred' to have a demographic majority that is Jewish. Ben-Gurion explicitly rejected Secular Bi-national state solutions in favor of partition.
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Settlements, Occupation, and Apartheid
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing
You mean the re-settlement project. The UN mandated Israel's existence and despite this mandate, Arabs committed the first of a seemingly never-ending series of terrorist acts by attacking a bus Nov 30th, 1947.
It's been perpetual 'refusing to learn the lesson' since. All that BS copy pasta that says nothing to refute what I stated... Can you reference a conflict which doesn't have an 'instigated by radical Islamists' precursor? Has any land been confiscated beyond the green line that wasn't because terrorists or their supporting nations FAFO?
And why did they attack that bus in 1947? What prceeded that? You dont know or dont care to know. Irguin did plenty of terrorist bombings before that ,could it have been that maybe? Or some other attricty? Or are we pretending this all started on Nov 30 1947?
"Jewish militants bombed the police headquarters in Haifa on September 29, 1947, resulting in the deaths of four British policemen, four Arab policemen, and two Arab civilians."
The king david hotel Jewish extremist terrorist bombing was July 1946, in case you didnt know.
And feast your eyes on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine
So you're just wrong.
Yes, we are. That bus bombing is first record of violence in response to the UN mandate. Ball is in your court to find an earlier tu quoque otherwise Israel might not look like the bad-guy and we can't have that!
I literally just gave you the list you asked for in the comment you replied to. You're not great with english or reading comprehension, it seems.
It directly does, you just don't read it
No, it doesn't. Arabs refused both plans and so the UN chose the one at least one 'side' wanted. The 'plan' BS is just an excuse. Palestinians would have been pissy regardless. Had the UN chose the other option nothing would have changed historically.
I notice you haven't found a copypasta for land taken that wasn't in response to a precursor attack so where would the borders be had there never been any attacks on Israel? My guess: right where the UN said they should be...
The first two paragraphs I quoted under Partition prove you wrong.
The first talks about discussions 2 decades prior.
The second can be reworded more succinctly: Ultimately, UNSCOP delivered two proposals: that of the majority, which recommended two separate states joined economically, and that of the minority, which supported the formation of a single binational state made up of autonomous Jewish and Palestinian areas. The Jewish community approved of the first of these proposals, while the Arabs opposed them both.
Yeah, Brittanica is wrong there. Palestinian Representatives supported a Unitary state since 1928. The Minority Proposal was not voted on after extensive lobbying by American-Zionist organizations and extensive US diplomatic pressure in the UN.
Spoiler
https://israeled.org/resources/documents/report-of-the-un-special-committee-on-palestine-unscop-summary/
Nor was the UN proposal binding in any way unless both parties accepted. It was used as a justification for the declaration of the Jewish State and subsequent Ethnic Cleansing to create it's own borders as far as they could.
Partition is inherently unequal, it is impossible to implement without the forced expulsion of the native Palestinian population, which was the entire plan. Which you can read about with the Quoted book about The Concept of Transfer in the history of Zionism and Quotes by Ben-Gurion and Theodore Herzl themselves.
This is all some sensationalist fiction drummed up by an outcast anti-Israel author. You lose the plot when you say 'EB is wrong here'. Your guy is unproven and intentionally controversial and you lap it up because he says what you want to be true. He is wrong. I'll stick with the unbiased opinion TYVM.
Not only that, but your citation here supports what I'm saying. "Zionists and Arabs had clearly shown they had absolutely no inclination to live together under the same governmental umbrella". And yet, the Zionists agreed with a proposal in the end.
Face it, you're in the wrong here. All your links point to meaningless historical footnotes on the diplomatic process and ignore the fact that the Arabs refused to accept either final UN proposal, nor lobbied in favour of one or the other. They were the first to resort to violence and all because they refuse to relinquish land taken from the Jews in the first place.
It is this insistence on resorting to violence that has cost them so dearly ever since. Even the settlements are predicated on security justified by previous terrorism. No terrorism, no need for a security buffer.
Edit: and 'plans for gaza' are themselves meaningless when they aren't enacted prior to a terror attack. Anticipating more terrorism is prudent at this point.