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After a day and several replies from people. I've come to the conclusion that people here are ok with their party and leaders supporting genocide and they attack the questioners (instead of their party leaders) who criticize those who support genocide. Critical thinking is scarce here.

I'm shameful of humanity.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 21 hours ago (15 children)

A take I've heard that maybe you'll understand is this:

Leftist organizing in the US isn't going to change the system 90 days before election day. There's simply too much momentum with the two party system we have.

So now the situation is, vote for whoever you'd rather have in charge of the country while you do your leftist organizing for the next several years. I know I'd rather do that work under a Harris presidency than a Trump one, for a million obvious reasons.

To do anything else is to simply not understand the reality of the situation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 20 hours ago (14 children)

That's a reasonable argument, but it leads to some pretty uncomfortable conclusions for democracy.

During our next "leftist organizing for the next several years.", why would the Democrats budge an inch given that they know all they need to do is hold fast until the last 90 days and we'll all fall into line and vote for them anyway?

We end up like the boy who cries wolf. All our protest and campaigns mean nothing because our votes are, in the end, absolutely guaranteed. The Democrats can have whatever policy positions they like.

I don't see how 4 years or 4 days makes any difference. If they are guaranteed your vote come election day, they have no reason to shift policy in order to obtain it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

At the risk of feeding a sea lion, there’s actually a simple reason a candidate might shift their position toward voters that are already “guaranteed” to vote for them: if that “guaranteed” base grows, it provides a voting offset that could allow the candidate to worry less about losing the support of less progressive voters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Oh. I've just looked up 'sea-lion'. Jesus fucking Christ. In one thread we've had the argument, from supposed progressives, that;

  1. Vote your government back in no matter what their policies are, just do so out of blind faith.
  2. Don't look things up for yourself, just accept what the authorities tell you without question.
  3. Don't ask for evidence or challenge this view, just accept it without question.

This is the progressive position now?

This isn't politics, it's a fucking religion.

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