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So this is lefty memes? Making fun of liberals by referring to them as centrists is nothing but a self-righteous attempt at driving a wedge. I’m guessing you don’t know many liberals.
I’m economically progressive with many liberal friends. I can say with confidence that your accusations are incorrect.
Liberals support increased taxation on the wealthy with proportional increase of social programs. Just because it isn’t full-on worker ownership of business does not make it any less a form of wealth redistribution. It’s just not the form you approve of.
What you are saying fits the american "liberal" label. What you are describing I would call social democrat, not a liberal. People calling themselves liberal in europe are, examples from sweden: compares public insight into publicly funded privatly owned companies to soviet, are for privatization of welfare institutions, collaborates with the far right, calls rightwing newspapers communist, and are against free speech at universities.
To be fair though, the meme is probably targeting socdems anyway so I guess fair enough.
Aren’t SocDems a type of liberal?
Liberals are Centrist they've always been centrists for 400 years.
Exactly, heavy taxation on the ultra wealthy and wealth caps are incredibly popular topics in liberal circles. I swear some people have never actually talked to a liberal and just attack some strawman they've lumped in together with conservatives.
I'm leftist and anti-capitalist, but I also recognize that most liberals are people who want the same things leftists do, but simply haven't thought deeply enough about what the true root causes of society's issues are. It's an issue of tactics rather than a fundamental disconnect in core principles and values. Ultimately they want a more equitable, less stratified society where society helps and supports the disenfranchised. The same thing leftists want. They just don't understand that capitalism has to go in order to achieve it.
Liberals, unlike conservatives, are actually generally quite reasonable people since they aren't motivated by hatred. As leftists, we should be doing everything we can to educate them and bring them into the fold, rather than tearing them down.
Well said. Education over isolation is the only way we’ll move forward.
It honestly comes off as propaganda by the rich to divide groups that could unite to force an increase in taxes on the wealthy.
This is just a bunch of kids thinking they’re very smart
And wasting their time on fantasy bullshit. Nobody's taking any wealth when wealth has all the guns.
What's most important is that you get to feel smugly superior.
The irony of you saying this is earth-shattering.
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Thanks for thinking about me!
No need to thank me. I'll always will be dedicating all my thoughts and prayers to the shitlibs.
Maybe if you’d dedicate some of your thoughts on something else you would have a better life? Just a thought
never heard of the "thoughts and prayers" trope eh? I guess I expected too much of you.
Wow you are toxic. Please stop being that way.
So you make a meme about how liberals won't discuss things and when they are in the comments to discuss with you you resort to name calling.
Very mature
You pretend the comment I was responding to was trying to discuss in good faith?
Very mature
And you decided to respond to that comment and mine instead of talking to the top comment and discuss with them
If he actually engaged in the discussion in good faith, like he pretends to want to, then he'd have to stop feeling smugly superior.
What was smuggy in the comment from disguy_ovahea?
I'm talking about db0
And I never did.
You choose who to engage with yourself. You can choose to only engage with your own bubble and the assholes outside of it and get a close minded worldview or you ignore the trolls and engage with the good faith actors. In my opinin today you picked badly.
Huh? You were talking directly with db0 and I was agreeing with you...
Ups sorry, totally missed that the responder changed. My bad
Have a nice day
Who said I am in a mood to discuss rn? Y'all never never seen a meme, I swear...
Who said the strawman in your meme had the mood to discuss right now? You never talked to a lib, i swear...
Something you disagree with? That's a bad-faith argument.
Called out that you won't engage in it? You just don't feel like it right now.
Typical "Lefty".
I don't owe chuds like you engagement
You're right, you are under no obligation to engage with reality.
But let's be honest, it's because you lack the ability to engage in real discussion about this.
Sure buddy.
"Waaahhh liberals won't engage in discussion about wealth distribution"
Liberals engage you with that discussion.
"I don't owe you chuds any discussion"
If I didn't know better, I'd assume this was a weak attempt at trolling. Sadly, this is actually just how you behave.
Sure buddy
Oh look, another comment refusing to engage in the discussion you pretend to want to have.
Please, keep it up. I upvoted the post so more people can pop in an see how badly you got bodied by that top comment.
Sure buddy
Got another one in ya?
Sure buddy
And another!
"Discuss in good faith"
Reads comments....
Hey look it's the guy in the meme!!!
Liberals absolutely arent centrists, Social Democrats are centrist. Liberals are right wing, fundamentally you cannot be a leftist while supporting a "free" capitalist economy and minimal government (thats what Liberalism is).
Nah dude a liberal can be right wing and another lib can be left. You can be a liberal soc dem if you want
There is a set definition for what liberalism is.
Because it considers private property a core foundation it literally can’t be left wing. Leftists (whether socialists or anarchists) believe private (not personal) property should be abolished.
From your linked article:
Yup. A single set definition alright.🙄
And they all still enshrine the sanctity of private property which was my point when referencing the definition. All the variations of liberalism still boil down to a capitalist ideology.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum
You don't define what's left and what is right. Most people agree that liberal can mean left, central, right or right wing
Absolutely this, no matter how left wing you are if you believe in private property and capitalism you are not a leftist.
What are the tenants of the neoliberalism economic philosophy?
Edit: not saying the philosophy definition is the only def, just pointing out there are multiple common usages so when someone says 'liberal' without defining the term it's ambiguous.
Classic liberalism =/= neoliberalism
The meme doesn’t say neoliberals. It says liberals.