Libertarians be like "But with free healthcare, I would pay for liver treatment for alcoholics, and lung treatment for cig smokers! No one will incentivized to live healthy lives!"

[–] funkless_eck 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They already do, though, that's what insurance is. They're just paying for the premium luxury version of liver treatment.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

American Libertarians would be okay with many of the contracts we consider illegal, like ejecting people with pre-existing conditions.

[–] where_am_i 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's not true. Private insurances profile clients and smoker and heavy drinkers pay a hella lot of a premium. And you might think you can just lie on the application, but insurance fraud is a federal crime, and at the very least you'll get zero out of your insurance if they ever find out.

Now, this also means no entry for diabetics, no treatment coverage for people with vision impairment, in fact, no pre-existing conditions are ever going to be covered, at least not at a loss.

And so universal healthcare exist so that diabetics, cancer patients, people with pre-existing conditions etc don't get thrown under the bus by every private insurance out there. Because thats what happens in a private insurance market.

But what also happens is that smokers, obese folks, drunk drivers and who else not get treated in hospitals funded by those who are staying healthy and don't meaninglessly risk their life. And this is the single biggest flaw of such systems.

So, if you think you just made fun of an argument your conservative uncle usually brings up at a family dinner, then I have you know, that your "liberal" dumbass is even dumber than him. Because you confidently claim absolutely stupid shit of which you have no clue. And then you wonder why "the other side never listens".

It's cuz to every argument you say "not true, liar!", even if the facts are as plain as the daylight.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Yeah, well the rest of us will have to pay for their bear mauling injuries

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I think I found a way to convince them. we can say that with free healthcare kids under 18 will be able to go to a hospital and ask for treatment b without their parents because they won't need money anyway and doctors would want to keep their medical history confidential.

if kids can make healthcare decisions without their parents getting involved, that would be a first step towards lowering the age of consent!

I made it up but if we make it sound convincing they'll be advocating for free healthcare in no time.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unfortunately i think “Medical privacy” is going to scream “abortion” to your target audience.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Not to mention that anything mentioning minors making their own medical decisions without parental consent will be interpreted as confused kids allowed to get trans surgeries en masse. It makes no sense but that fear is already there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, but that's like acknowledging children have rights, they can't have that.