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[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you doubt that Stalin's soviet union rounded up Jews, queers and minorities for the main purpose being extermination?

What is the difference between "minorities" and "Jews" here?

[–] goat 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Minorities are minorities. Some religions, queers, poc, etc~ countries that the soviet union annexed. Ukrainians were considered a minority.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why did you scope Jews out from the other minorities tho?

Also the groups you mentioned were hardly primary targets of soviet repression.

So kinda odd to be naming victims but focusing on this when you look at the bigger picture of what Soviet regime has done.

Both raw numbers and pro proportion wise.

Crimean tartars were outright removed from Crimea with half dying en route to centrla Asia.

25% of baltics states were forcefully removed due to being "enemies of the people"

Some weird western bias here lol

[–] goat 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because the Soviet Union was vehemently antisemitic.

And Ukraine wasn't a primary target of repression? Are you forgetting the holodomor?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You mentioned Ukrainians already I was topping off with examples of other people targeted at scale, kazakh should be mentioned too tbh...

As for anti semetism within USSR... Just because Jews got caught up in purges, doesn't make it anti semetism.

chema and NKVD were loaded with Jews esp near the top during Holodomor and Stalin killed them off after they did a good job.

Is this anti-semitism you are talking about?

[–] goat 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm assuming you're just blissfully unaware of the antisemitism within the Soviet Union.

We'll take the Doctor's Plot as an example. The Soviet Union created a campaign where they said that Jewish doctors intended to kill leading communists, which of course was just to purge more jews.

Also what do you mean by good job?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also what do you mean by good job?

They were very effective at starving people, waffen-ss level effectiveness.

Doctor's Plot

Ahh yes propaganda campaign... Did anyone die?

This conversion is clown. Stalin murders millions of people... But have you thought about the jews🤡

[–] goat 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You're being really weird if you specifically take offence to me mentioning Jews as one of these minorities. I also mentioned Ukraine as a part of these minorities to distinguish how each was treated: Jews were purged, Ukrainians were starved, Gays were locked up and unprotected. I can go on...

It's pretty telling that you're just being antisemitic, so I'm giving you a warning to knock it off; no hate speech is allowed here.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No offense, only pointing out bias

[–] goat 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Bias? Bias of what? Jews? I even mentioned queers in the same comment you took issue with, but you're not whining about queers, now are you?

Jews were a crucial part of World War 2, and especially in the soviet union. The union's antisemitism pokes a big hole in the whole tankie rhetoric that 'the Soviet Union actually saved World War 2 and the Jews!'

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Coaching USSR in this context... Original comment started with that.

Anyway... Gays too tbh. Again it is a bias.

Yes thee groups were victims of the regime but highlighting them essentially glosses over what happened. But thats just my opinion .

[–] goat 3 points 1 month ago

But they specifically mentioned Nazis, hence why I brought up Jews and Queers, both explicit victims of the holocaust. But you said nothing about Queers, despite that still being 'Western bias.'

You've got a clear problem with Jews, and antisemitism isn't allowed in this community per instance rules. So you're getting a final warning to fully drop the topic, since your comments really are appreciated--Just not when it's antisemitic.