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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I like this because then we can see who votes against it and know definitively who does and does not support this ongoing genocide

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I hope you're prepared for a lot of "abstain" votes.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'd say fence-sitting this vote is even more an indictment than just a "No" vote personally; it doesn't take a MENSA candidate to tell whether or not funding a genocidal morass of settlers is morally correct

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Yeah, saying ‘no comment’ to stopping a thing we’re already doing is just adding a meaningless word after the ‘no’

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Still tells me everything I need to know. Silence is violence

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Thats a bit dramatic, its more like silence is complacency in congress

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

Abstaining is pro genocide imo

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

That is a perfectly clear message for me actually.

It's about opposing genocide or not. "Do nothing knowing that will cause the genocide to continue" is close enough to "continue the genocide" for me.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Someone will add something to the bill that will give any who need it an excuse to vote against.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

and any who take it can be safely counted as monsters in support of a genocide, fuck what they say after the fact

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Expect that "something" added to be a thing that makes the bill a non-starter. Something like 'no assistance to Ukraine' or 'passport required to vote' or 'federal abortion pill ban', etc.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Assuming they don’t do a voice vote (PDF).

Another example of more subtle forms of exclusion afforded by anonymity can be found in the practice of voice vote in the US Congress. While the roll call voting record, which identifies the voting behavior of each Congress member individually, has established itself as the dominant practice in modern congressional procedures, the default version still practiced today is the voice vote. Here yeas and nays are each expressed verbally and collectively so that the individual vote of the respective Congress member remains unknown to the public. The chair then gauges the majority and decides the vote. This procedure, which is the original practice of the US Congress, undermines transparency and parliamentary accountability. Obscuring voting behavior effectively shuts the public out and metaphorically speaking closes the doors of parliament to public scrutiny. Lynch and Madonna (2103) find that elections incentivize Congress members to request a recorded roll call vote. Thus, while the competition for seats enhances transparency, voice voting is still a common practice when members of Congress want to conceal their voting behavior on controversial issues