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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, to be fair some folks might have moved in a time when there was a territory that went by the name of the British Mandate of Palestine. Anyways, semantics, mostly agreed.

I would agree on the bit regarding Hamas ... but I think one shouldn't conflate all Gazans and their beliefs with just Hamas. Remember that Hamas took power only after overthrowing a unity government that was under the Palestinian Authority (which does still support a two state solution).

Regarding Netanyahu, the article from CNN you cite kinda shows the problem. Netanyahu is not in favor of Palestinian sovereignty.

In fact, CNN makes it very clear,

Netanyahu has never been a full-throated supporter of a two-state solution

That said, the security concerns regarding Israel are indeed valid. I'm not sure what the right answer to that would be... perhaps in the beginning we'd need to have peacekeepers? But perhaps we could find a neutral islamic country (who? Perhaps Malaysia?) to fit that role. With fellow followers of Islam keeping the peace and IDF having withdrawn, perhaps then Israel can feel secure while a new Palestine is built?

[–] Snowflake 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why would he have complete supporte for their sovereignty given what his country has seen at their hand. The right answer to this is why do they need a military. They are surrounded by Muslim brothers. I'm sure israel would offer their protection as well as allies near them. There are various countries today without a military force.

That said, the security concerns regarding Israel are indeed valid. I'm not sure what the right answer to that would be... perhaps in the beginning we'd need to have peacekeepers?

The problem is. Hamas wants nothing to do with that. They don't want a two state solution unless they keep their terror military and weapons. In fact they won't accept or recognize Israel at all. Then your problem is you blame their denial for a two state solution on Netanyahu. Or you expect him to give the terrorists sovereignty anyways.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

The problem is. Hamas wants nothing to do with that. They don’t want a two state solution
they won’t accept or recognize Israel at all.

Agree this is a problem. They caused Oct 7 and they need to be stopped.

The innocent Gazans unaffiliated with Hamas, and the PA and the folks living in the West Bank deserve to have their country and their rights respected, but none of that should read as saying Hamas should stay in power, or even be allowed to exist at all.

Then your problem is you blame their denial for a two state solution on Netanyahu.

This is a misreading of my argument. Hamas != State of Palestine

Or you expect him to give the terrorists sovereignty anyways.

Well, not to Hamas!

Why would he have complete supporte for their sovereignty given what his country has seen at their hand.

Again, not to Hamas! For the past twenty years the PA has kept peace with Israel - this is the model to follow.

The right answer to this is why do they need a military. They are surrounded by Muslim brothers.

Yeah... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_proxy_conflict

There are various countries today without a military force.

Let's say for the sake of argument that magical wizards come in and fix everything. We end up with two states tied together by peace, with the violence behind them. (Model for this being the Troubles in Northern Ireland.) Or even a single Israel state with peace - for the sake of this argument, this detail doesn't matter.

It's a volatile area with lots of conflict between different countries, even if one excludes Hamas and related insurgents. Any country in that area would need a military just to defend its own existence.

The countries that don't have any military forces - I imagine none of them are in this kind of situation.

I’m sure israel would offer their protection as well as allies near them.

In theory that could work. The problem in practice is that IDF has lost a lot of good will, and perhaps might be seen as occupiers instead of peacekeepers from a friendly allied country. Hence my suggestion for Malaysia to step in - Islamic troops from a far away neutral country - might be better perceived.

Heck, a lot of goodwill might be earned just by being fresh and new. Now that may not be entirely fair to the IDF, but politics is rarely fair.