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New Rule: if the motorcycle you purchased exceeds noise ordinance levels for a given area, said motorcycle cannot be sold, driven, or registered in that area, nor can it be parked in a public parking spot in that area.
Honestly though, I wish police would simply enforce noise ordinances and anyone with more than one violation would have their bike impounded.
We basically have this in Japan. People will put their bike back to factory for the inspection and then change it out. They get caught rarely, but not often. loud-assed 暴走族 (bousouzoku) groups love to ride around in the countryside where I live and I can hear them from quite far. I really wish the police would do something about them.
I live next to a catholic church/school and sometimes on the weekend or near sunset a local kid rides his motocross bike all around the church yard. Annoying as fuck and it chews up the yard and everything. I've called the cops three or four times but they've never bothered to send an officer out. I called the church and all they did was install a bunch of super-bright LED lights which are on 24 hours a day. Kid still rides his bike there and now I can't sit outside at night anymore because of the fucking lights.
Gather up your neighbors and have them come and strategically park their cars on the church yard, physically blocking the kid's path. If he can trespass, so can you.
It's way too big for that, and most of it you could only get to with a bike. That's pretty much why he goes there.
Where I live, the police would need the authorization of the church to enforce trespassing on their private property, so if the kid is waiting until there's no one at the church, he pretty much gets a free ticket until a bunch of hoops are jumped through.
Several traffic cameras in the Netherlands have been upgraded with decibel meters as part of a test. I hope this becomes the norm for all the cameras.
Easier said than done, unfortunately. They need sound meters to do anything reliably, and then there's the issue of catching them. Even slow, inefficient bikes tend to be much faster and more maneuverable than patrol cars, so motorcyclists are quite a bit more likely to run. Especially the ones that are already violating noise ordinances.
You know what is faster than a motor bike?
Radiowaves.
The police patrol knows the direction that the biker is going, call a patrol there.
Light is also faster than a motor bike, get a recording of the license plate and use that to find it.
Or if the church/neighbours simply start logging the guy's schedule, give it to the police and have them wait for him.
I'm fine with bikes being noisy. Bikes can be hard to see, sometimes I hear them before I see them.
I'm not fine with douchenozzles intentionally revving them up in otherwise quiet subdivisions as the OP describes.
There is no statistical evidence that louder motorcycles are safer.
Huh. I was taught this for years as a rider.
Did some searching and well damn.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a35952569/loud-pipes-do-not-save-lives/
And the people who say "loud pipes save lives" often don't wear helmets, which statistically are safer. Not all motorcyclists are full of shit, but a hell of a lot of them are.
That's interesting. Thanks for the info.
It does help me mentally though. Sometimes the lies we tell ourselves help.
This is the classic argument for loud bikes, and it shows a lack of understanding physics and human nature.
Physics, the sound is generated by the exhaust pointing backwards, this means that the sound doesn't propagate well ahead of the bike, but way better behind the bike.
Human nature, human nature when hearing a loud sound is to find the source, however, by the time a driver has heard the sound the source have often passed, causing a needless distraction. Also, bikes tend to make a very basy sound, this is terrible for humans to hear the direction of.
Finally, if bikers are so concerned about being noticed by other drivers, why don't they wear high visibility vests and trousers?
Most bikes are not bassy it's mostly thumpers and harleys that are bassy. Just wait until you get passed by a bunch of squids on sport bikes with parallel twins and I4s, those are much higher, and represent a large percentage of the bikers out there.
Also, I'm grateful that my bike is loud. I don't rev it to high hell though, but an additional sensory input for the fuckhead texting on the freeway is not a bad thing. A lot of people where I live (Seattle) don't pay attention on the road and it's pretty scary on a bike surrounded by them sometimes. Sometimes it is simply not possible to have a decent safety bubble when there's traffic.
Fair critisism.
I know, they attract idiots who refuse to keep the playtime to the track, and endanger everyone else.
The depends on the stimuli, a sudden loud noise as a bike zooms past a distracted driver is a TERRIBLE "sensory input" as you say, it could easily cause the driver to swerve causing a big accident which would not happen if not for the noise triggering it.
You could, and should argue that the distracted driver should not have been driving distractedly, I would however add that the biker should not have driven past at so high speed that they other drivers only notice them once they have passed.
loud pipes save morons not intelligent enough to drive defensively.
the idea that your shitmobile must blast 100db just for the rider's safety is absolute bullshit sold by harley boomers, they don't care about painfully loud noises, they've already replaced their hearing with tinnitus and want everyone else to enjoy the never ending eEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE too.
I agree with you, and I absolutely don't wish harm or accidents to anyone on a motorcycle.
A guy in my neighborhood just bought a motorcycle. He doesn't rev it up or try to be inconsiderate, but just the act of twisting the throttle to drive away at a slow speed violates the city noise ordinance and can be heard for a half mile or more.
Maybe you should try looking?
It is very easy to not see a motorcycle. Very easy. And due to the way our brains work, their small size can make us seem further away than we actually are.
Yes- that's why you have to look.
I would rather visual indicators of their presence like a flashing light of a specific color
Not sure why you're being downvoted.
I've been riding for years but had to renew my license. The motorcycle tests now has a section where you have to find the motorcyclist in the rain.
And honestly, that section broke me. I love riding in dark colors on my dark bike. But I'd be god damn near invisible in the rain.
And I wished this test was forced on everybody (motorcyclists, car heads, hell even bike riders).
Yeah something like flashing or cycling cym on the back and sides. As long as it’s unmistakable it’s good. Noise is a huge disruption and it isn’t clear about location. Lights are
It's only visible from the back, but more bikes are coming equipped with brake lights that strobe for a second when activated to get more attention. (We only have one rear brake light, compared to three on cars). And now it's easy to find add-on helmet lights that also activate with the brakes. Not the all-rounder lighting you're talking about, but early info seems promising.
That’s good. I want y’all to be visible and safe, I just really don’t want y’all to wake the dead riding past
maybe the can wear an indicator, a big floppy one on top of their helmets, preferably flesh tinted and mushroom shaped - so everyone can easily see the pricks