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The evidence will be Ukrainian army collapsing when even the most imbecilic people in the west will have to start grappling with reality. Don't worry, you won't have to wait long now.
Literally all of NATO has been pouring everything NATO has into Ukraine for the past two years. US has literally run out of artillery shells at this point having to send cluster munitions now. Of course, somebody who is a chronic liar would conveniently omit this fact.
If you think that getting into a war with a much bigger country instead of declaring neutrality, which Ukraine will be forced to do assuming it survives, was a smart move then what else is there to say about you. Ukraine will be forced to do everything Russia demanded before the war, and it's going to lose a huge chunk of its territory. That's the best case scenario for Ukraine at this point.
The idea that trying to negotiate before the war shouldn't even be tried require utter brain damage to believe. Ukraine would've literally lost nothing in the process, and the worst case scenario would've been that the war happened anyway. However, the best case scenario would've been that war was avoided. The fact that you can't understand this is truly phenomenal.
That's not what happened, but we've already established that all you do is lie. You are a liar.
Again, you managed to vomit a bunch of lies and expose yourself as lacking any capacity for critical thought. 👏
You must have a fetish for debasing yourself in public.
That's so weird, people keep telling me that the Ukraine army is going to fall in a week. I've been hearing that for 73 weeks now!
Ukraine tried to negotiate when Russia stole Crimea. The Ukraine tried appeasement with Crimea after negotiations failed, and relied on the appeasement you're so fanatical about. Russia then threatened to steal Moreland, and after refusing to negotiate with the Ukraine, Russia started a war.
What you call lies have supporting evidence that has been written in history books for more than a decade, while your' theories that you are so certain about are based on maybe's and "gosh, you'll see! Promise! Next week again!"
You've just been wrong every week for 73 weeks. It'll probably keep happening for a while. And then if Ukraine settles, they've already proved how weak and inept the Russian military is by a factor of 73, so they win.
BT dubs, crying "liar!" without any evidence for your cries is not a very convincing argument.
Especially when all the easily verifiable facts are above you in the thread there.
It doesn't seem like I'm debasing myself, people keep agreeing with the, again, easily verifiable facts, and voting against you.
Hang on. Let me check again.
Yeah, it looks like people don't agree with you since you're not telling the truth and don't provide any evidence for your frantic claims.
I've provided plenty of evidence of your lies in many previous threads already. It's clear that you're just a propagandist with an agenda, and you have infinite capacity for producing drivel such as what you wrote above.
Verifiable facts are that Ukraine was committing atrocities in Donabs as reported by CNN, and it refused to implement Minsk for 8 years. We know know for a fact as western and Ukrainian officials admitted that the purpose of Minsk was to arm Ukraine. You are a liar and you know you are a liar.
Oh so you're arguing against the claim that nobody ever made that nobody in ukraine ever did anything wrong?
Cool! Strong argument.
How about that 73 week long invasion started by Russia. That's killing tens of thousands of people?
You know, that war that actually happened and is still happening?
Oh the war that could've been avoided if Ukraine declared neutrality, wow you made an amazing counterpoint there. The reality is that Ukraine was doing ethnic cleansing in Donbas and scumbags like you didn't give a shit about people there. Then after 8 years, Russia finally stepped in, and now you're crying about it. You're morally bankrupt.
We should probably start at the top and mention that there's zero evidence of genocide occurring in donbas by the Ukrainians. That's probably important since you're pretending it happened and so far every claim of Ukrainian ethnic cleansing has been proven baseless.
Wait, are you referring to the Russian cleansing of homosexuals another unwanted elements in society?
This one? “Welcome to Chechnya” Reveals the Killing of Gay People - The Intercept https://theintercept.com/2020/06/28/welcome-to-chechnya-gay-men/
The one that verifiable documents and articles have been written about, and there are laws in Russia illegalizing people?
Is that what you're talking about?
I care about people everywhere, I don't pick and choose.
I give a s*** about the people in Ukraine that the Russian government is killing, and even about the Russian soldiers that the Russian government is killing for seemingly no reason except shameful pride and greed.
Oh well, I'm not going to beimone the second great toppling of a savage Russian government.
Literally linked a CNN video admitting it, but here you are pretending there's no evidence.
Meanwhile, if you think Russia is bad wait till you find out what US does like having highest incarceration rate in the world, using prisoners for literal slave labour, having migrant concentration camps including kids living in cages, annexing part of Cuba to run a torture camp there.
You don't give a shit about people at all, what you give a shit is shilling for your empire because you're a scumbag propagandist with no morals.
I don't see any link from cnn.
I know all about the sins of the United States, I just don't let that cloud my judgment.
I mean, you know Russia is still doing literally all of those things right? They're incarceration rate is the same as the US. As far as I recall, they use their prisoners for slave labor, they have migrant concentration camps and they annex Crimea.
I don't get your argument here. Do you not understand that just because someone does something bad it doesn't make whatever the other person does good?
Just because one country commits human rights abuses, it doesn't mean that other countries are not committing human rights abuses.
I do care about people, I just don't pick favorites. I judge them by their actions, as you are being judged by the community you've joined.