this post was submitted on 07 Sep 2024
139 points (96.0% liked)
Games
16402 readers
566 users here now
Video game news oriented community. No NanoUFO is not a bot :)
Posts.
- News oriented content (general reviews, previews or retrospectives allowed).
- Broad discussion posts (preferably not only about a specific game).
- No humor/memes etc..
- No affiliate links
- No advertising.
- No clickbait, editorialized, sensational titles. State the game in question in the title. No all caps.
- No self promotion.
- No duplicate posts, newer post will be deleted unless there is more discussion in one of the posts.
- No politics.
Comments.
- No personal attacks.
- Obey instance rules.
- No low effort comments(one or two words, emoji etc..)
- Please use spoiler tags for spoilers.
My goal is just to have a community where people can go and see what new game news is out for the day and comment on it.
Other communities:
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
But then someone will see a spreadsheet and calculate the "missed" revenue, and whoever made that decision either gets replaced or given strict orders next time
Even if they manage to dig their heels in, it will come up again and again. It looks like a money shaped hole, and so organizationally they'll keep coming back to it
It is a great way to make games, many indie games do this. A team can do this, but a corporation can't - subtlety doesn't fit on a spreadsheet
Oh for sure, I don't blame the companies for doing it. I'm blaming the customers for being stupid enough to fall for it. Again. And again. And again.
I'm not sure customers are falling for it - this is why voting with your wallet doesn't work. People rage against games that launch in an unfinished state, particularly when they're full price. Steam reviews often incorporate price point - statements like "don't buy this at full price" or "this might have been worth it at $20, but this is not a $70 game" come up a lot
Sales for AAA games are way down, we just saw the biggest failure in gaming history. Casual reading of steam reviews show people clearly have different expectations based on price, Twitter sometimes explodes with anger at specific moves (like Helldivers requiring PSN) and they back off (temporarily), but they always go back to the bullshit
The feedback mechanism of "voting with your wallet" doesn't communicate this message. Metrics show purchases, refunds, and active users... That's what fits on a spreadsheet. They see a game failing, but that doesn't mean they've understood why
AAA studios don't want to understand what makes a game succeed or fail - they just want a formula to min-max ROI. They want strong numbers at launch, but they also want to minimize production costs, and they treat costs (like developers) as line items - they learn the wrong lessons, because they aren't concerned with the creative part of game design. They want to be the next Madden or assassin's creed, they want to figure out how to get players to pay $70 + micro transactions (or better yet a subscription too), but they also want their employees to be interchangeable cogs they can push to burn out then replace
AAA gaming is dying from this, but it's an oligarchy at this point - large corporations are unable to understand nuance or truly innovate - these are things people do when they have autonomy. They don't do team building or R&D anymore - that's a gamble that sometimes pays off big, but not in a quarter or two. They aquire then kill off what made the team work in the first place - any individual can tell you that's a recipe for failure, but by nature they keep the decision making far removed from the people actually doing the work