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Not soon enough. The drop in quality has been obvious to everyone. Alternate universes and time travel can be such narrative cop-outs. And that's in a superhero universe where death already means almost nothing!
Edited.
I'll give you the drop in quality, I think the quick churn has resulted in lower quality films and TV shows.
However the multiverse? Alternate universes? Time travel? Despite the name this phase has barely touched on it.
Let's start with the films,
So out of 11 films we have 4 Multiverse films, and apart from Ant-Man we're all big fans of them. It you want to argue Doctor Strange also has issues, fine, but it still comes out to a decent enough film.
Now let's look at TV,
13 shows, 11 if you want to exclude the specials, back up to 13 if you want to count season 2 of shows.
Less than half however you want to count it. What If... is a variety show, X-Men is a continuation. Loki is the real focus here since it has the Kang story. Ms Marvel is setting up Mutants.
So when we look at it all we have,
We've barely touched on the multiverse. You can call them narrative cop outs, but they haven't even done it. The issue isn't the multiverse. The issue is the weak stories.
And we can't just say that the multiverse doesn't have good stories. Most of the MCU films that have multiverse in them are really enjoyable. Maybe we're just tired of the multiverse? Not a chance. You know what film I'm looking forward to the most? Spider-Man Spider-verse! That's a great story.
However, at this point, it's clear Marvel is moving on from the Multiverse and into mutants. Honestly , that's fine and probably for the best. I'm disappointed, not that we're moving on, but that this era had such a bad run. Luckily the Disney CEO behind it is gone, so hopefully things will improve going forward.
Doctor Who is doing a successful TV series since the 60s about time travel, and the Spiderverse movies, Loki, Deadpool & Wolverine as well as Everything, Everywhere All At Once show that multiverse done right can work exceptionally well. The problem, as always, is lazy scripts.
Very good points. It seems the writing is the problem...
I don’t think the multiverse is the issue. It’s things like:
Covid delays fucking up the release schedule. No Way Home was supposed to come out after Multiverse of Madness
Disney overreacting about James Gunn’s edgy teenage tweets. GOTG 3 was supposed to be before Love and Thunder.
Disney pushing for content for Disney+ spreading Marvel too thin.
Chadwick Boseman dying.
Shoehorning a Black Widow movie that should have been made a decade earlier.
Johnathan Majors turning out to be a douchebag.
From the start I knew the multiverse saga was going to be a tool to pick and choose what to keep once they got the X-men rights back. I’ve been enjoying most of it, but yeah I’d like to go back to paying attention to the one universe please.
It hasn’t even been much of a saga… only 3 of the movies and two shows (out of how many?) utilize the multiverse.
Edited after smoking a joint: It’s almost like in sports when a team takes a season to rebuild after losing their major players.
They aren't going to put those toys back in the box, they just love using them too much and don't understand how that Pandoras box removes all stakes from their films. I was done being invested with MCU once it became clear was a fucking time heist cop.out to the problem of Thanos winning Infinity War and killing half the cast.