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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the country’s history is a constant stream of oppression and political violence.

this would be applicable to the entire history of the human race as well.

i don’t exactly understand what you think we’re talking about. you say it’s a “specific problem” but didn’t specify it really. so i don’t know what’s supposedly impossible merely 20 years ago.

i'm talking about the fascist conservatism problem, and the specific ways in which it's being empowered. Something like this has literally never happened before, hitler being the closest thing, arguably. But that was before the modern era and now we have so many more avenues for social control and influence than with hitler.

there was always oppression and there still is.

i don't disagree, i just think in this specific aspect (politics) it's gotten substantially worse since the early oughts.

The specific mechanism of the problem is brand new and very hard to deal with, which compounds with the problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

this would be applicable to the entire history of the human race as well.

irrelevant, as we're talking about US history, not world history. you're the one saying we're in worse times than before and I'm asking when that was.

i disagree that fascism wasn't a serious problem before, i just think they're more comfortable with visibility today thanks to the orangutan leatherface. if you mean this to be the specific mechanism, okay, but i don't know if it's really worse than the insidious cryptofascism doing the same shit but with masks and dog whistles instead.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

irrelevant, as we’re talking about US history, not world history. you’re the one saying we’re in worse times than before and I’m asking when that was.

i get that, granted that was the argument i just made previously so this is a bit redundant here. Regardless, if we're just talking about the specific capacity of the human race to do bad things to other people, it's probably pretty consistent over time. Even through the global world history.

if you mean this to be the specific mechanism, okay, but i don’t know if it’s really worse than the insidious cryptofascism doing the same shit but with masks and dog whistles instead.

i think the modern incantation is worse simply because of how accessible it is, paired with how inconspicuous it can be. It can become a rather dangerous thing. And extremely coordinated. unlike the hitler arc, there is very little need for control of the media in this case, because they can literally just create their own narrative and it's global within about 20 minutes.