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Elon Musk-controlled satellite internet provider Starlink has told Brazil's telecom regulator Anatel it will not comply with a court order to block social media platform X in the country until its local accounts are unfrozen.

Anatel confirmed the information to Reuters on Monday after its head Carlos Baigorri told Globo TV it had received a note from Starlink, which has more than 200,000 customers in Brazil, and passed it onto Brazil's top court.

Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes last week ordered all telecom providers in the country to shut down X, which is also owned by billionaire Musk, for lacking a legal representative in Brazil.

The move also led to the freezing of Starlink's bank accounts in Brazil. Starlink is a unit of Musk-led rocket company SpaceX. The billionaire responded to the account block by calling Moraes a "dictator."

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[–] booly 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The order to block Twitter went to all Brazilian ISPs, and Starlink is the only one that didn't comply on Saturday. ~~So the escalation stems from the disregard of an order that everyone was required to obey, but the intertwined nature of both companies being controlled by Musk is both part of the reason why SpaceX would even consider not complying with local law in a country it operates in, and why the Brazilian courts seem to be willing to aggressively enforce their own orders.~~

Edit: I'm convinced. This comment as originally written presented the facts out of order.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So the escalation stems from the disregard of an order that everyone was required to obey

You've got it backwards. Right in the article, it notes "The decision to freeze Starlink's accounts stems from a separate dispute over unpaid fines X was ordered to pay due to its failure to turn over some documents." The escalation of Starlink not complying comes from that, not the other way around.

ut the intertwined nature of both companies being controlled by Musk is both part of the reason why SpaceX would even consider not complying with local law in a country it operates in

Again, seemingly backwards. It was the government of Brazil that used their "intertwined nature" to freeze Starlink accounts, and Musk has, in turned, used that "intertwine nature" as leverage.

To be clear, I hate defending Musk, but I don't see why it makes sense to freeze Startlink accounts if it's X that hasn't paid the fines. Can they go after any company that he owns stock in? Can they start seizing Teslas? How about MS infrastructure, if he holds some ownership in that company too? I'm just not sure the government of Brazil is on the right side of this, and not simply using their power to punish Musk. If people said "I don't really care and I'm glad they are holding his feet to the fire" that would be one thing, but people are arguing that it's actually Musk who is doing all of this, while it appears that it's actually the Brazilian government that "intertwined" them and Musk just responding in kind.

[–] booly 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The escalation of Starlink not complying comes from that, not the other way around.

I've looked closer (at other articles, too). You're right - the freezing of the SpaceX accounts came from the same order that ordered that Twitter be blocked, and before SpaceX announced it would refuse to comply.

The proper thing to do is to recognize the legally distinct personhood of SpaceX, which isn't part of Twitter, even if Twitter/X itself is wrong on the law.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

We need more people like you.

[–] Grandwolf319 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if he would have complied with the court order if the Brazil government hadn’t done this, if so then yeah, I guess that’s not shitty.

My gut says he would have started drama regardless.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

It certainly wouldn't be surprising.