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This comment was in response to someone expressing regret about joining .ml if I recall correctly
Edit: I'm convinced all this guy does is camp out in front of his computer and wait for an excuse to abuse what itty bitty power he has.
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It's genocide vs genocide, really.
Yeah. Unfortunately. All we can do is voice opposition to whichever one is achieving its goals at any given moment - Hamas in the immediate aftermath of October 7th, and Israel now.
Maybe someday they'll sit the fuck down and figure out that this conflict can't continue forever. Well, Hamas and Bibi never will, but whatever representatives of the Palestinian and Israeli people emerge from the other side of this phase of our everlasting Israel-Palestine conflict.
Or you can oppose both.
Well, yes, but the one most 'in swing' at any given time takes precedence in terms of attention given.
The idea that there's a good guy and a bad guy when it comes to war is stupid.
... okay?
The goal of hamas is and always has been to kill all jews, the goal of Israel is to exterminate hamas... So yeah we should stick to hamas because Israel has more military power!/s no we should be for the destruction of hamas and keep civilians in mind.
Since the Palestinians believe in Inherited refuge status, wich is total BS and many aren't even descendants of refugees, its not exactly possible to work with them, the hamas approval in Westbank and Gaza is very high, its not like the civilians dont have their part in that all, hamas terrorists don't just spawn from thin air. And there have been times of peace, always broken by terrorists.
Nah man its Hamas vs Israel and only hamas has committed genocidal acts and has the goal of genocide on all jews, thats one reason why talking with them doesn't work at all. Don't get me wrong, Israel should have done more for the civilians in the early war, but somethings are just impossible to handle, especially regarding the risks. This war is 100% the fault of Hamas and the other groups like Islamic jihad or rather Iran and Russia that are the puppeteers behind them, hezbolla as well but they are known to cause problems in Libanon and everywhere around. Israel has a pretty "good" relation with the actual Lebanese government and the Egyptian government. *good in means of goal oriented, not necessarily friendly.
The fault is on both of them, really. Israel had plenty of warnings from Jordan, Egypt, the US, the EU and their own security agency about an attack in October.
Of course, there is always an attack, and Israel is also not allowed to stop an attack before it happens, instead only after it happens.
Ok but... Who attacked? Shure it was preventable and im definitely hating Netanjahu for not taking action before it happened, but the offense came from Hamas, they could have just not tried to commit a genocide. You cant push the blame of this on Israel regardless of if it was or wasn't preventable by a preventative military action, they are the victim of a attack. And a preventative strike would have resulted in basically the same, everyone blaming Israel for defending their civilians from genocidal maniacs.
In my opinion, they should absolutely have done a preventative action against that, but just like on "9.11" warnings where ignored for one reason or another, likely disbelief that hamas would be capable of pulling it off at all.
Well they were actually attacked from more than just Hamas, but it is Hamas that perpetrated the massacres. It doesn't help that Hamas took hostages. If there were no hostage-taking, none of this would be as messy as it is.
In my personal armchair opinion, I think Israel should've waited before immediately going for the hostages to get some international support. But then again, that's giving Hamas power.
Yeah Islamic jihad was there as well, but thats basically the little brother of hamas and a branch of Isis
And Israel did wait for a significant amount of time for that kind of problem. The remaining hostages are dead by now and they knew hamas isn't nice to them, there aren't any actual reports from freed hostages, because Israel is shielding them from everything and most are in therapy, but some statements where made, these include systematic rape, torture and more things along these lines.
Truly barbaric.