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" I'm a peasant, so American Capitalism has never improved my life or presented any opportunities for me "
(lemmy.world)
this post was submitted on 23 Aug 2024
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I guess there's no point in discussing any further if providing sources and real numbers is not enough for you. Have a nice day, comrade.
It's the average for "farmer" and you're saying it's what the average person who works on a farm they don't own...
There are so many fucking thing wrong with that, it's just crazy you can't think of one even after I literally just told you:
For what you're talking about (a farmhand) the average is $17.25
https://www.fbn.com/community/blog/how-much-to-pay-your-farmhand
But that varies wildly
Like I said. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Even if you think that 17.25 is high, that's for year round farm hands, most work is seasonal and paid way less.
You foam at the mouth about how my numbers are wrong, and then you post a link that validates the numbers and even suggests they are higher:
Perhaps you need to slow down a bit to understand averages. Some people make less than $61k, some people make more than $61k, and for the average to work that means that for some that makes less there's got to be others that make more. According to Indeed, that range is between $46k and $82k for FARM HANDS. Not part owners or some other capitalist arrangement, farm hands according to the stats.
By your own admission, there are a good deal of farm workers out there earning a salary of $82k /year, which BTW is higher than lots of people with master's degrees in the city.
Since you are not contributing anything to the conversation, there's no point in me replying further.
I'd ask how you got to that conclusion, but obviously there was no logic involved...
...well then i'll contribute as a child of farmers: your data is grossly misrepresentative largely due to differing definitions of 'farmer'...
...if we define farmers as the folks doing actual farm work - both physical labor and small-farm management, AKA family farms - you'll find an economy governed by word-of-mouth entrepreneurship and hardscrabble side-gigs which scarcely shows up on human-resource databases like salary.com...if we define farmers as corporate-governed field-managers and operators segregated from the business management and manual labor pools, then HR databases are reasonably representative of that select class of personnel, not too different from most small-town managerial work...
...in the end, the former class is endangered and the latter a diminished and readily-exploited class, so does the distinction matter to folks struggling to survive either way?..i will say this: farms wait for no man's schedule, government subsides come with commensurate capital debt, $25/hour comes with commensurate student debt, and secure retirement, health care, or social safety nets are far from reality for either class...