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Ukraine attacks Moscow in one of largest ever drone strikes on Russian capital (www.reuters.com)

submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Ukraine attacked Moscow on Wednesday with at least 11 drones that were shot down by air defences in what Russian officials called one of the biggest drone strikes on the capital since the war in Ukraine began in February 2022.

The war, largely a grinding artillery and drone battle across the fields, forests and villages of eastern Ukraine, escalated on Aug. 6 when Ukraine sent thousands of soldiers over the border into Russia's western Kursk region.

For months, Ukraine has also fought an increasingly damaging drone war against the refineries and airfields of Russia, the world's second largest oil exporter, though major drone attacks on the Moscow region - with a population of over 21 million - have been rarer.

Russia's defence ministry said its air defences destroyed a total of 45 drones over Russian territory, including 11 over the Moscow region, 23 over the border region of Bryansk, six over the Belgorod region, three over the Kaluga region and two over the Kursk region.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

An artillery shell stapped drone in a substation, a railway control centre etc etc etc, no need to blow up the whole Kremlin or target civilians.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Again, I think you're vastly overestimating the capability of a quadcopter drone to inflict serious damage on hard infrastructure.

But hey, maybe I'm not only wrong, but so are all of the Ukrainian sabotage teams and they'll stumble across your advice here and realize what a great idea it is.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

While I agree with your opinion, you could certainly have been a lot less of a jerk when saying it

[+] [email protected] -9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Moving the goalposts, no one said you had to hit a bridge or something.

But I guess you knows what kind of Ukrainian sabotage is done in Russia lol. Hint: it's not like russia is acknowledging it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't move any goal posts, I've been pretty clear about my views on the general ineffectiveness of using quadcopters to target infrastructure.

But like I said, maybe I'm wrong, and the Ukrainian MoD will have a "Eureka!" moment after reading your comments.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A small quad could blow out windows, doors, and other small structures. You don't have to blow up all of the Kremlin for it to be effective. I postulate that a dozen grenade carrying quads could do a fairly significant amount of damage, or at least put those locations in higher alert. It could have a psychological impact as well even if there was little more than scuff marks. Now scale that up to say 100 drones and it could be a wild scene. However, my exposure to military quads is from the videos posted here on Lemmy, so I don't know if a large scale quad swarm would even be doable, or what the limitations would be.

You could probably just fly unarmed drones all over there and scare some people.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes, and that's what Ukraine is doing at the moment. But they're doing it in the cities like Moscow that actually matter to Putin, and the Russian elites.

The comment I was responding to was talking about taking a lot small drones deeper into Russia, which are places that Putin couldn't give a shit about.

So, if they aren't useful for destroying critical infrastructure, and Putin and the Russian elite don't care about any psychological impact on those civilians, what is the point? Which is why I covered using them to target civilians, and why that would be a bad idea.

Saboteurs and Ukrainian assets inside of Russia are not an unlimited resource. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to use their time doing things that actually politically harm Putin, or impact the wider Russian war effort?