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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Once it levels off we may have to think about whether we want to degrow the population

The problem is this is one of those long term things that people have a hard time understanding. By the time you see it level off, it’s decades too late to change things. Let’s not make the same mistake as we continue to do with climate: instead of putting it off until it becomes a crisis let’s make small changes now so the crisis doesn’t happen.

We definitely can’t grow population forever and are likely beyond a sustainable population already, but let’s try for a smooth leveling off and soft landing rather than flying off a cliff and crashing into the rocks

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hmm. So how should we go about that today? Trying to raise population growth in developed countries, besides having proven very hard to do ethically, makes the problem with a high peak population worse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It being hard to do is all the more reason to start now. We certainly don’t want to step back in human rights or healthcare so perhaps our only choice is incentives or assistance. Yes, that has proven not very effective so far but our only choice is to try. Perhaps assistance and incentives need to go a bit farther. I know I found a lot more challenges to being a parent than just the cost. Perhaps there’s some social statuses that need to be changed but are subject to generational inertia: when does being a parent confer status or respect, or at least not stunt your career?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, if it works we're back to worrying about overpopulation, which is far worse. It's a moral hazard. I was hoping you had a third option. Otherwise, no, let the birth rate collapse.