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hey lets not get specifically islamophobic. every single horrible thing the worst muslims are trying to do over there, the worst christians are doing over here. every. single. fucking. one.
and the worst muslims aren't even jacking it to the apocalypse.
That doesn't make it right, it's Whataboutism
no but that's the thing, I see a lot on the internet "religion bad!" (true) turning into "muslims bad!" and letting at-least-as-bad offenders off the hook. that's the part that bugs me.
the christians are doing THIS EXACT SAME SHIT in american cities. I walked past the aftermath of some shit like this happening multiple times in my life. it doesn't even make the news most of the time.
so yes, they're monsters, stop them. but lets not SINGLE THEM OUT and let the OTHER, POTENTIALLY WORSE monsters off the hook.
edit: also, islamophobia in the anglosphere is rarely used to reduce the outrageous horrors of religion, and always used to fuck up marginalized people, so I'm always skeptical of it being a genuine criticism of religion.
This entire post is about a woman that was shot and paralyzed for not wearing a hijab. Stop deflecting. It's absolutely fair to criticize bad things done in the name of Islam. Feel free to create a separate post about bad things done in the name of Christianity, I'm sure you'll have no issue finding numerous examples. But stop distracting from the oppressive environment women find themselves in in modern day Iran.
all of those religions are intensely misogynist. that's just the islam flavor abrahamic atrocity. the christian flavor has her dying of ectopic pregnancy after being raped at age 7.
this is a problem that includes islam, but is not specifically an islam problem. they all fucking do this, and whenever people JUST talk about islam, it always victimizes the least bad muslims, refugees, and vulnerable brown people WHO AREN'T EVEN MUSLIMS, and never, NEVER fixes it, never, NEVER goes after the worst hypermisogynist pedophile pieces of shit petpetuating the atrocities. so when I see people focused on this fucking 2000s era throwback islamophobia it NEVER ends in 'we must protect people' it NEVER ends in 'we must end the evils of religion', it ALWAYS ends in the 'war of civilizations' bullshit that has people who live in my fucking neighborhood defending zionists rioting for their right to rape their victims, because most of their victims are muslim. that has people who live in my fucking neighborhood talking about exterminating the brutes and death camps and hey, who else can we put in those, maybe queers? maybe queers. (they don't say 'queers').
its why I can't take any criticism of ISLAM IN PARTICULAR (edit:unless its inclusive of the rest of that group of mind-plagues) seriously. because everything shitty muslims do, shitty christians do just as bad, plus some other crap. hell, a lot of times, their organization names ARE EVEN DIRECT FUCKING TRANSLATIONS OF EACH OTHER. it's just racism. as bad as I think these fuckers are, you're not on the same team as me. you just want an excuse to be racist, and I don't believe you actually give a shit about the victim, she's just an excuse too. please don't bring rage against religion into it if you only care about this shit when a religion you mostly associate with brown people does it. its like when qanon started talking about 'human trafficking'.
Why are you lashing out at strangers? I dont know that your anger is coming off the way you think it is.
okay but... why is the splash damage from disapproving of the worst muslims with 'muslims bad' always to sikhs and secular arabs and more moderate muslims who hate this shit almost as much as you claim to, but never to the worst christians doing that exact same shit with the exact same rhetoric who the speaker smiles at every week waiting in line for groceries?
Because to those outside of religion, its a choice to be religious. All of those least worst Muslims or good Muslims or good Christians or whatever you want to say, all should not be in those religions to begin with.
I'm not saying to destroy the community, break off and make your own "fuck the shitty versions of our religions" sect.
At some point people need to be held to their decisions, despite the community social pressure aspect, as the only way to counter that is equal and opposite pressure.
If you can figure out how to remain in a religion and cause that kind of backlash then I suppose you would be the exception.
Just to summarize, all religions are bad, so being part of them is bad too, even if you are a good person. Can't be a good Nazi right?
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Part of the problem is the desire to single out the worst single instances of a given group and use them as emblematic of a whole. I honestly wonder how many folks on this board actually know a person of Muslim faith. And I have got to wonder what kind of weird, gross, vulgar shit they say in casual conversation.
Imagine sitting across from someone at the office with a big "You're a blood-drenched terrorist by association and I hope the police drag you off to a black site to be tortured and killed" banner over their cubicle. Showing up every day and having people whispering that you're a pedophile and a genocidal lunatic, because they've been passing around "Top 10 things to know about the butcher prophet Muhammad". Then flipping on the news and hearing about how a city in your native country was bombed to rubble or a notable politician from your country was assassinated in cold blood, while folks on the news laugh about it and say "They must have had it coming because they're Muslims".
Absolutely fucking barbaric way to behave towards anyone, and yet this is how white westerners seem to treat their Muslim neighbors by reflex.
yep! the thing is, it isn't about hostility to religion in general, which, like, I could get, those 'islamic state' fuckers (and their christian counterparts currently red teaming the united states political system, who are worse and want to end the world and have been infiltrating the military that has nuclear weapons for decades) ARE (at least broadly) blood drenched vicious monsters who should all be killed. no need to be a dick about it, shouldn't treat the moderates the same way as the fanatics, but, like, everything bad about islam, except possibly the 'no drinking' thing, the worst christians ALSO DO.
like, every single bad thing they SAY about muslims also applies to these other people who maybe even live nextdoor. literally all of it (I've never heard about 'those damn teatotaling muslins, be'in all diaphanous and sober and pulling out a compass before they pray'), so clearly that's not what their actual fucking problem with it is. its not even that its barbaric behavior; it's that its fucking dishonest barbaric behavior.