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Ukraine needs Western aid. They are not going to risk that for some stupid revenge. That kind of revenge would have the very serious consequence of loosing the war, turning it into no revenge at all.
To play thee devil's advocate, Israel made the bar quite high for atrocities that will have the west stop supporting you.
@bouh @MrMakabar Ukraine do not seem to be playing the revenge card at all. Quite the opposite, in fact. Israel, on the other hand, are only playing the revenge card, they could learn a lot from Ukraine.
I know that. Ukraine soldiers are actual soldiers, not bandits on a crusade. Still, Israel still has full support of US and France for example, which is a shame. I wish even half of what's meant to Israel went to Ukraine instead, they deserve it much much more.
@bouh I totally agree
Unfortunately war turns everyone into a bandit, the horrors of this war are well documented. This post kinda imply that the meat grinder has now moved in russian territory too.
However anecdotal this may be, I speak regularly to a Ukrainian, who whilst not fighting on the frontline helps with R&D and stuff like that towards the effort.
Every time I speak to him and the war comes up he only ever speaks of wanting the Russians out of his land, and to just return to his normal life and says that this is the mindset behind every man in his group.
Also those atrocities early in the war seem to come from units from the backcountry of Russia, places with ethnic minorities and extreme poverty, probably not very well educated. Closest thing we have to barbarians in the modern day. I don't think we'll find that mentality in any ukranian units
That’s not totally true. There were lists of local political elites to be killed in Ukraine once they establish control. And this is what happened in Bucha. They wanted to purge all Ukrainians who will have influence under occupation. Occupation that didn’t go according to the plan.
That is true
Of course they will. You will absolutely find individuals who had their family and friends killed who are going to take it out on Russians. They're still only humans, and country is composed entirely of saints.
The difference is that they'll be individuals, who will hopefully be court-martialed for it, not the widespread ordered pillage and rape without reprisals you see with Russia.