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[–] [email protected] 110 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's security theater through and through.

Apart from the obvious failings of these checks, think about what kind of damage a single backpack of explosives can do to a packed airport during holiday season. You can literally put a ton of explosives on one of those trolleys, roll it into the waiting area and kill 200 people easily. No security whatsoever involved.

Reality is, most security measures are designed to keep the illusion of control. Nothing more. Penetration testers show again and again that you can easily circumvent practically all barriers or measures.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (4 children)

The goal is not to stop the people in the queue being attacked, its to stop someone boarding a plane with the means to hijack it

[–] [email protected] 55 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They fail gloriously at at that too.

Whenever they get tested the red teams manage to smuggle in everything needed to hijiack a plane plus a kitchen sink.

The few times that terrorists tried to board planes, they made it through security and were caught by other passengers.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That's what's changed. Before, a hijacking meant a free trip to south America or Cuba. Now it means you're likely to die if you don't stop the hijackers. A planeful of pissed off passengers determined to live are gonna stop a would-be hijacker.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not if he has a bomb though

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Shoe Bomber and the Underwear Bomber don't count? :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

True, although those seemed like pretty seriously incompetent attempts

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Anger and bitterness degrade the brain.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, and you don't need the TSA for that. Just do as they already do: lock the cockpit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Little known fact: many of the pilots behind those locked doors are armed as well.

The Flight Deck Officer program allows pilots to volunteer to become deputized Air Marshals. They receive training and are issued a badge and a gun.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Good guy with a gun, we're not mentally ill at all !

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So police officers are mentally ill? Interesting take.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Yes, they think they're the good guys.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Police officers are mentally ill? Interesting take.

Also, we're talking about pilots that you are already trusting with you're life and the lives of hundreds of people with you. If they were mentally ill they could just crash the plane and kill you.

These guys are genuinely invested in maintaining the safety of human lives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

They should continue focusing on that instead of gun politics and their farcical contrived scenarios to have guns on a civil plane.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Well, conceivably those in the cockpit could be manipulated through other threats. Either threats to crash the plane, or threats to hurt the people in the back.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Part of their training includes risk assessment that teaches them to sacrifice individuals if it is in favor of maintaining control of the plane.

They flat out train them to shoot through a hostage someone is holding. That one person's life isn't worth sacrificing the lives of hundreds of others on board as well is casualties on the ground.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Nah, you literally just ground the plane whenever someone does something that rises to that level. Any threat someone could bring on a plane that could take it down is easily found by a bomb dog.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They had to do something about the plague of people hijacking planes with bottles of water.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

IIRC water happens to appear similarly to a lot of explosives on the metric they use for what the composition of items in the scanner is.

Improvements are being made though so soon we may be allowed to take water through unrestricted:

Why Airport Security Suddenly Got Better (13:01) https://youtu.be/nyG8XAmtYeQ?si=RTjA8GRuZaMIJs9d

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I’ll drown him! I swear to god I’ll drown him!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Ah yes, it's okay if we die, just don't take the corporate infrastructure with you when you go...