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Hi all,

I'm seeing a lot of hate for capitalism here, and I'm wondering why that is and what the rationale behind it is. I'm pretty pro-capitalism myself, so I want to see the logic on the other side of the fence.

If this isn't the right forum for a political/economic discussion-- I'm happy to take this somewhere else.

Cheers!

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[โ€“] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Alternative systems such as...? I can think of several, but none I'd describe as 'successful'.

It's kind of a red flag (no pun intended) when your preferred system can be destabilized with some money stuffed in the right pockets, isn't it? Most failed systems that were 'undermined by capitalists' mostly involved funding and support, not invasion or anything. Meanwhile, democracy and capitalism emerged in the midst of hostile aristocracy and royalty, and survived decades of attempts by the USSR (and now Russia) to undermine it.

My personal opinion is that those systems were doomed from conception, though I don't deny that the US certainly engaged in speeding their demise.

Anyway, that's all beside the point. Both populations and consumption increased under the Soviets, and any other system you care to name, proportionate to their effectiveness at keeping people fed and healthy.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

FBI figure on a laptop

This you? Or are you just that ignorant? US history class must have been a joke for you.

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Undermined by stuffed pockets?

None of the systems I advocated were undermined by stuffed pockets, they were undermined by a capitalist country militaristically destroying a new nation, a capitalist country that has 50 percent of the ENTIRE WORLDS military spending.

That's an important detail not to gloss over.

Revolutionary Catalonia had a wonderful system, the zapatistas have a wonderful system, neither were undermined by what you claim. I'm anti-red fascism, the Soviet union was evil. You just boldly assumed anarchists don't exist, I agree that they were fundamentally doomed, but anarchists have no such fuckups.

Furthermore do you honestly believe capitalism is not susceptible to stuffed pockets??