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[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ehm.. Exploiting the lower class is easier in China? There is literally a very high youth unemployment rate right now. Why do you think I take my vacation in China? Because taking a cab from Beijing airport to Beijing center costs like 3-4 EUR. Foods cheap, stores are always open, vibrant night life, and all because people are working so much.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Hmm yes, cheap food, and a vibrant night life. Coupled with 90% home ownership. All hallmarks of an oppressed working class.

I'm sure they're dying to pay £4.50 for a shitty ham sandwich and forking over half their wages every month to a landlord.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think you missed safety as well, huge difference here in the West compared to China

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Indeed. It's remarkably safe here. According to some people another hallmark of freedom is the freedom to be robbed.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You do understand that if workers are paid less in China but the cost of living is also lower then the level of exploitation isn’t necessarily greater right?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I suspect this account is a sock puppet. Brand new account made of greek letters that immediately wades into a debate about socialism.

Langley ain't sending their best.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They’re probably just your average imperial core labor aristocrat or petit bourgeois.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

We can exchange numbers and have facetime, so I can destroy your illusion :)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You can do it here with your words you weird little freak. I'm not sure what doxxing myself will do to enhance your argument other than give you an avenue to harass me.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

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Add me on session and we can educate each other. I am more of a talking guy than texting anyway.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You do understand that many people work more than 40h a week, because they have to?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Don’t just ignore my questions. It’s relevant to the conversation and your perceptions of China.

I’m aware that work hours are long in China. I don’t think that’s a good thing. However, it’s not unique if you take into account China’s level of development.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-working-hours-vs-gdp-per-capita-pwt

It’s also not as if western countries like the US are great either. Full time workers in the US work more than 40 hours during a standard work week.

https://www.bls.gov/charts/american-time-use/activity-by-work.htm

All in all, the fact remains that for most Chinese people, quality of life has improved significantly within a very short time span. It’s likely why most Chinese people believe their government is democratic because they believe it’s acting in their interests to improve their lives.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The Economist, 2021: At 54, China’s average retirement age is too low

For most men in China the age is 60, much lower than the average of 64.2 in the OECD, a club mostly of rich countries. For female civil servants the age is 55; for blue-collar women it is 50.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Those damn retirees probably get a full pension too! Don’t they know it would be much better for the economy if they had a 401k instead?! That way they could lose it by random chance every 15-20 years and work as a Walmart greeter until they die like the invisible hand intended!

Jokes aside, that explains why whenever I go to China there’s always lots of older people hanging out in public parks having a great time. I just hope that can be me one day.